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  • Trump hands global leadership to China.

    Very interesting and thought provoking article. Discuss?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/u...eadership.html

    At risk of being called a "neocon" I have to agree.
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  • #2
    Indeed. Very good article. Trump wants the US to no longer assume the role of world leader by alienating most of our allies and getting out of deals. China is ready to fill the void that is going to be left by the US abandoning that position..
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    • #3
      America has definitely ceded leadership throughout the world with Trump at the helm, no doubt, as the US is the only country to not sign the Paris agreement. Good article.
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      • #4
        Wow cool another opinion piece attack article!

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        • #5
          Good. It's expensive. Let the Chinese police the rest of the world. See how everybody likes their brand of leadership, and save us some coin in the meantime.

          Current global warming temperature trend: 0.05ºC per decade, plus or minus 0.1ºC (source: UN IPCC AR5) ...Yes, the error rate is higher than the estimated rate of change.

          "Anthropogenic global warming is a proposed theory whose basic mechanism is well understood, but whose magnitude is highly uncertain. The growing evidence that climate models are too sensitive to CO2 has implications for the attribution of late-20th-century warming and projections of 21st-century climate. If the recent warming hiatus is caused by natural variability, then this raises the question as to what extent the warming between 1975 and 2000 can also be explained by natural climate variability." --Dr. Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology

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        • #6
          Originally posted by rbstern View Post
          Good. It's expensive. Let the Chinese police the rest of the world. See how everybody likes their brand of leadership, and save us some coin in the meantime.
          So where are the proposed cuts to defense to accompany this change is policy?

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          • #7
            Originally posted by guido61 View Post
            So where are the proposed cuts to defense to accompany this change is policy?
            I don't know, but I'm sure, if we bring home our troops and start shuttering bases around the world, it will be more than enough to fix a few bridges and repave a couple miles of interstate.


            Current global warming temperature trend: 0.05ºC per decade, plus or minus 0.1ºC (source: UN IPCC AR5) ...Yes, the error rate is higher than the estimated rate of change.

            "Anthropogenic global warming is a proposed theory whose basic mechanism is well understood, but whose magnitude is highly uncertain. The growing evidence that climate models are too sensitive to CO2 has implications for the attribution of late-20th-century warming and projections of 21st-century climate. If the recent warming hiatus is caused by natural variability, then this raises the question as to what extent the warming between 1975 and 2000 can also be explained by natural climate variability." --Dr. Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology

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            • #8
              Originally posted by gismo recording View Post
              Indeed. Very good article. Trump wants the US to no longer assume the role of world leader by alienating most of our allies and getting out of deals. China is ready to fill the void that is going to be left by the US abandoning that position..
              You're correct, as pulling out of the TPP was a bonehead move, because the TPP will represent 40% of global trade, and now we won't participate in that, and while true that it would have initially created a trade deficit for us, that's what's required to grow developing economies so that they will become substantial trading partners in the future.

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              • #9
                This is Steve Brannon's greatest fear.

                The real enemy, he said, was China. China was the first front in a new Cold War.

                “China’s everything. Nothing else matters. We don’t get China right, we don’t get anything right. This whole thing is very simple. China is where Nazi Germany was
                in 1929 to 1930. The Chinese, like the Germans, are the most rational people in the world, until they’re not. And they’re gonna flip like Germany in the ’30s. You’re going to have a hypernationalist state, and once that happens, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.”
                Last edited by RogueGnome; 01-04-2018, 06:39 AM.
                Originally posted by Hoot Owl;n32354094
                If there were things available to make Trump look good don't you think he would have released them by now?
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                • #10
                  That strikes me as a wildly inaccurate claim.

                  Germany was fiscally ruined in 1930. It's population was suffering from a war-torn economy made even more drastic by the weight of reparations and other corrosive effects from the Treaty of Versailles. Unemployment was extremely high. The crash of 1929 caused American banks to cut off the credit that the Germans were using to pay off war debts. Germany was broke. The political situation was chaotic. There were deadly street brawls going on between the Nazis and the Communists.

                  How is that similar to China? China's economy is potent. We're they're biggest customer. They've developed a powerful middle class after loosening the reigns on centralization, but the Chinese government remains very much in control of their economy, and clearly prefers stability to chaos.



                  Current global warming temperature trend: 0.05ºC per decade, plus or minus 0.1ºC (source: UN IPCC AR5) ...Yes, the error rate is higher than the estimated rate of change.

                  "Anthropogenic global warming is a proposed theory whose basic mechanism is well understood, but whose magnitude is highly uncertain. The growing evidence that climate models are too sensitive to CO2 has implications for the attribution of late-20th-century warming and projections of 21st-century climate. If the recent warming hiatus is caused by natural variability, then this raises the question as to what extent the warming between 1975 and 2000 can also be explained by natural climate variability." --Dr. Judith Curry, chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by rbstern View Post

                    That strikes me as a wildly inaccurate claim.

                    Germany was fiscally ruined in 1930. It's population was suffering from a war-torn economy made even more drastic by the weight of reparations and other corrosive effects from the Treaty of Versailles. Unemployment was extremely high. The crash of 1929 caused American banks to cut off the credit that the Germans were using to pay off war debts. Germany was broke. The political situation was chaotic. There were deadly street brawls going on between the Nazis and the Communists.

                    How is that similar to China? China's economy is potent. We're they're biggest customer. They've developed a powerful middle class after loosening the reigns on centralization, but the Chinese government remains very much in control of their economy, and clearly prefers stability to chaos.

                    Well, for starters, it's Steve Bannon, so there's that.
                    I suspect he was referring to the rising up of Germany not the falling down. But better check with Bannon on that.
                    While we've been setting up military bases around the world, China has been developing infrastructure throughout Africa, the Middle East, the Caribbean, elsewhere in Asia. They literally have built relationships.
                    They've stepped up to the plate and just as the US is backing away from trade agreements, from alliances, from the Paris Climate Accord.
                    Our State Dept is running on empty right now.
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                    Originally posted by Hoot Owl;n32354094
                    If there were things available to make Trump look good don't you think he would have released them by now?
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