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  • The industry has forgotten us rack heads...

    O.k., stereo tone, flexibility, pinpoint tonal control. We know the benefits. Unless you are willing to lug around a multi rig set up, a la Eric Johnson, Racks are the way to go. BUT THE INDUSTRY HAS LEFT US BEHIND!!! Name more than 5 good new rack pres that have come out in the last 5 years! Go on....you can't can ya? Hell, how about the last 10!?!? Digitech and the Axe-efx...that's about it! And power amps? Nothing. Come ON!!!

    Any of you dudes ever hit the NAMM shows? Well let's smack these dudes up! Don't let me be the only one bugging the designers at the booths, and making email inquiries! THE NEXT GREAT, AFFORDABLE, TRUE STEREO, ALL TUBE AMP AND PRE WILL RULE THE MARKET!

    Thoughts?
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  • #2
    This is why nobody cares about rack stuff anymore:




    and even in the cheap range there's the line 6 spider series and the Peavey vypyr. Why would anybody buy a whole new rack setup when they can get rack-lite from these 4+ channel amps? Rack stuff is super cool to me and I love it, but I would ditch it for a suitable 3 channel amp and effects pedals.

    At least for now, the head and cab guys are winning.
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    • #3
      I think the guitar oriented rack industry is in a major shift in regards to technology. With the rising popularity of units like the Axe-Fx which really have bridged the gap between analog and digital in an amazing way any new rack oriented products face a stiff uphill marketing battle. I suspect once the dust settles a bit there will be a next generation wave of advanced tube/analog rack units, from the builders that survive that is.

      If I were a manufacturer I would be very hesitant to invest too deeply in a new line right now, there is too much of a shift going on and it is hard to predict just where it will lead ultimately. The landscape is changing....
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      • #4
        Randall's modular tube rack preamp and power amp are very nice. They just don't seem to get any dedicated space in stores, so unless you're searching online or in a catalog, you might not know they exist.
        Originally Posted by Captain_howdy


        ^^ this guy just said "lard tsunami".



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        • #5
          Hello? STEREO? Look, all the cool tones (well most) in rock are recorded in STEREO! STEREO....that is where big ass tone comes from...name a major modern artist with a signature tone....their live rig is STEREO!!! Or at least some of it is. Their studio thing was probablly stereo. The list is HUGE! Or it is a multi amp set up that runs more than one rig at once to get a spread...like stereo.

          Example: a friend borrowed a Dumble ODS head from a friend at a big time studio and ran it through a cab. "Uh, I don't get it." He said. "I can't find the tone."

          "Well, do what Robben and Larry do and run it through some efx and grab another amp and do stereo." I told him.

          He freaked out when he did. He ran out of the Dumble to a G-major for some verb, super quick delay and a smidge of modulation, into the front end of a Fender silverface 410. The overtones with the stereo spread made the tone rich and lovely in a way no straight mono amp can!

          And yeah, there are a few cats, Derek Trucks is just one, who run mono. And a great mono tone is still great. But what if you had 2, count em', 2 great tones at once?
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          • #6
            Hello? STEREO?

            I've had lots of rack gear that's mono


            Look, all the cool tones (well most) in rock are recorded in STEREO!


            you can even use rack equipment for non rock applications!!!

            crazeeeee ain't it

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            • #7
              Ummmm....because they've moved the rack fx units to the floor now?
              You've got at least 20 or so multi fx floor units by everyone from Boss to Zoom, killer rack stuff by Axe, digitech, 11R, TC, G major....I could go on...but i'm moving to the next forum now...

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              • #8
                Ummmm....because they've moved the rack fx units to the floor now?
                You've got at least 20 or so multi fx floor units by everyone from Boss to Zoom, killer rack stuff by Axe, digitech, 11R, TC, G major....I could go on...but i'm moving to the next forum now...


                Still doesn't answer one of the primary benefits of a rack...stereo.

                Tons of great tones, efx are all available today, all in mono.
                "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work" - Gustave Flaubert

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                • #9
                  Hello? STEREO? Look, all the cool tones (well most) in rock are recorded in STEREO! STEREO....that is where big ass tone comes from...name a major modern artist with a signature tone....their live rig is STEREO!!! Or at least some of it is. Their studio thing was probablly stereo. The list is HUGE! Or it is a multi amp set up that runs more than one rig at once to get a spread...like stereo.

                  ?


                  Well in the studio most guys record mono.
                  Then double it to thicken up the sound.
                  Any stereo effects are added from the board (or in todays environment, Pro Tools).

                  As for live.
                  Only person hearing the stereo effect is you.
                  A majority of the sound guys out there run a mono PA system in the clubs.
                  Yeah, they'll mic both your cabs.
                  But, it's still coming out mono through the PA cabs.
                  And the audience is hearing the PA mix more than the stage volume.

                  So, I think a lot of players just say
                  "what's the point if I'm the only one hearing it."
                  May as well just get a 3 or 4 channel head.

                  And since this is the way the scene is going, it would be nice to at least
                  see companies offer their heads in a rack mount version.
                  Most of the Bass amp companies do.
                  I don't get why the guitar amp companies don't.
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                  • #10
                    Personally I prefer the look of an amp head on a speaker cab with some pedals out front. I do have some rackmountable units but I am glad they don't overtake my rig.



                    And yes I know the virtues of a stereo sound. Which is what I use whenever I can. You don't need a rack setup to play in stereo. A stereo pedal in front of two amp heads each with their own cab, will create stereo.
                    Originally Posted by Spacehog26


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                    of a turd polisher.




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                    Originally Posted by lfrz93


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                    is that you in your avatar?









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                    • #11
                      Yup... Stereo is cool in your headphones, but it's completely lost on most live audiences.

                      The industry has been moving away from rack stuff since the 90s. Since the floor FX units came out they have been all the rage for multi FX. I went that route for a while and hated it. Now I'm using a hybrid setup. Head on cabinet with rack FX.
                      I like the rack stuff because of all that you can do with it and the ease of setup and it makes me sad that there is a lot less of it out there than there used to be.
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                      • #12
                        Kinda weird I'm the only guy defending rack gear on the Monster Rack forum....

                        Guess players don't want stereo tone, wet/dry/wet or anything else a rack system can give you...

                        A MarkV vs. a stereo rack rig is apples and oranges to me.

                        I still feel that if a company came out with a good tube pre/power/efx in one unit, and it was in the affordable pro gear price range, AND IT WAS TRUE STEREO, it would rule the market.

                        Sad.
                        "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work" - Gustave Flaubert

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                        • #13
                          Kinda weird I'm the only guy defending rack gear on the Monster Rack forum....

                          Guess players don't want stereo tone, wet/dry/wet or anything else a rack system can give you...



                          not at all - I lot of what I see isn't negative towards rack

                          RACK is just an enclosure spec, it doesn't sya what gizmos have to be in the box

                          it doesn't mean it has to be stereo or wet/dry/wet or any of that

                          I can get a mono spring reverb in rack
                          I can get a DSP based 4 channel process in a rack
                          I can get a network server computer in rack
                          I can even get an empty drawer in a rack


                          I still feel that if a company came out with a good tube pre/power/efx in one unit, and it was in the affordable pro gear price range, AND IT WAS TRUE STEREO, it would rule the market.


                          everybody's got the things they want

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                          • #14
                            Kinda weird I'm the only guy defending rack gear on the Monster Rack forum....

                            Guess players don't want stereo tone, wet/dry/wet or anything else a rack system can give you...

                            A MarkV vs. a stereo rack rig is apples and oranges to me.

                            I still feel that if a company came out with a good tube pre/power/efx in one unit, and it was in the affordable pro gear price range, AND IT WAS TRUE STEREO, it would rule the market.

                            Sad.



                            Once again, for most gigging musicians, stereo is useless. I used to have a stereo setup, and it was fun by myself, but once with a band, it becomes useless and you end up bringing a lot of extra gear for no benefit. The most practical setup for most gigging musicians is a small tube amp with a few pedals. One trip from the car, sounds great at club levels, and can easily be miced. If you are playing places where stereo PA's are a given, you probably have roadies so it doesn't matter if you need to bring in two of your favorite amps. So basically rack gear occupies a very narrow space in between most bands, and the lucky few where it becomes most practical. Or the studio. Which manufacturers know. It doesn't always matter if it can do more if its not practical enough to attract the masses.

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                            • #15


                              RACK is just an enclosure spec, it doesn't sya what gizmos have to be in the box

                              everybody's got the things they want


                              And there it is slight-return... There are no new rack tube pre's cuz no one wants one. No new tube power amps cuz no one wants one. No stereo set ups, cuz no one wants one. (I guess, according to 1/2 the posts here, stereo is a waste. I've played everything from sheds to coffee houses, country to fusion, and stereo has NEVER been a waste.)

                              Obviously the only things folks use a rack for is anymore is efx and various gizmatronic embellishments (that we all know and love), amp switching and some personal routing obscurities. You said it...Everybody has what they want.

                              The reason I feel that the industry has left us (o.k., ME) behind is that I feel that the benefits and flexibility of "the enclosure spec" are not being used by the manufacturing community to come up with anything truly unique tonally. It is all just gain stages and tone stacks.

                              I've got my own ideas on what I think would work (stated), but I guess I'm the only one. Everybody's happy. Who'da thunkit?
                              "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work" - Gustave Flaubert

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