Members vaya_broki Posted June 25, 2015 Members Share Posted June 25, 2015 Hello, I am new to the forum and would like for advice. I perform ocassional DJ gigs and have a acquired a pair of Peavey SP2G's to go with my Peavey PV118 sub. I had a pair ov PV125's but they were too big to carry in my suv. I have two amps (Crown XLS1500...300watts x2 @8ohms, 525watts x 2 @ 4ohms, 1550 watts bridged @ 4ohms) and a (QSC RMX 850...200W @ 8 ohms; 300W @ 4 ohms; Bridge 600W @ 8 ohms or 830W @ 4 ohms). Can you please provide recommendations on what amp/speaker combination I should use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dedmeet Posted June 25, 2015 Members Share Posted June 25, 2015 What model Peavey118 sub? Do you have a crossover of any kind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaya_broki Posted June 25, 2015 Author Members Share Posted June 25, 2015 Dedmeet, the sub is a Peavey PV118. I have a BBE 2Way Crossover/Sonic Maximizer as well. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted June 26, 2015 CMS Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Hmm, you've got a choice here. I'd recommend you use the QSC on the PV118. The choice is among two less than ideal options...namely using too much, or possibly not enough power. The PV118 is rated "400 watts program". That also means 200 watts "RMS" or "continuous", which corresponds closely with the amp output specs. The RMX850's 200 watt per channel rating matches. However Peavey would probably recommend using 400 watts. You don't have that available. You can use the RMX850 bridged, which puts 600 watts into a 200 watt speaker. That's something I'm not going to recommend to someone who isn't very well versed in the field, and has a lot of experience and willingness to repair the damage this setup can cause. Especially since the sub is being used alone, the temptation is there to crank it up for more output. 600 watts will fry the driver or damage the suspension through over-excursion. 200 watts can still get you into trouble if you really try hard, but the sub will sound awful before that happens...if you actually push it too hard. On the RMX850 there are DIP switches on the back panel. There are setting for a high-pass filter. This filter will cut out the low frequency below either 35Hz or 50Hz. Be sure to both engage the filter, and set it for 35Hz, which should be good enough for the 40Hz (+-3dB) low end of the PV118. You could afford more protection, possibly with no audible difference, by setting it to 50Hz. Give both settings a try in rehearsal and make that choice. Good luck and by all means ask here if there's anything you don't understand. Better to ask than have to fix broken gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaya_broki Posted June 26, 2015 Author Members Share Posted June 26, 2015 Thanks Craig, Ok, I will tinker with the QSC and sub this weekend. With regards to my Crown XLS1500 and my SP2G's, do you recommend going the Bridge/Parallel connection route? Regards, Harry Hmm, you've got a choice here. I'd recommend you use the QSC on the PV118. The choice is among two less than ideal options...namely using too much, or possibly not enough power. The PV118 is rated "400 watts program". That also means 200 watts "RMS" or "continuous", which corresponds closely with the amp output specs. The RMX850's 200 watt per channel rating matches. However Peavey would probably recommend using 400 watts. You don't have that available. You can use the RMX850 bridged, which puts 600 watts into a 200 watt speaker. That's something I'm not going to recommend to someone who isn't very well versed in the field, and has a lot of experience and willingness to repair the damage this setup can cause. Especially since the sub is being used alone, the temptation is there to crank it up for more output. 600 watts will fry the driver or damage the suspension through over-excursion. 200 watts can still get you into trouble if you really try hard, but the sub will sound awful before that happens...if you actually push it too hard. On the RMX850 there are DIP switches on the back panel. There are setting for a high-pass filter. This filter will cut out the low frequency below either 35Hz or 50Hz. Be sure to both engage the filter, and set it for 35Hz, which should be good enough for the 40Hz (+-3dB) low end of the PV118. You could afford more protection, possibly with no audible difference, by setting it to 50Hz. Give both settings a try in rehearsal and make that choice. Good luck and by all means ask here if there's anything you don't understand. Better to ask than have to fix broken gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted June 26, 2015 CMS Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 I would go one box per channel. If you biamp, that's 775w into a box rated 300w RMS. I get more nervous when two boxes are used in this manner on the same channel. If one speaker fails you're extremely likely to zap the other one as well. In these matters it's wise to remember the adage that "it's the first watt that really counts". You don't get much extra volume from adding another 200 watts on top of an existing 300 watts, for example. Power compression will account for a considerable drop in added output, on top of the fact that each doubling of apparent volume requires exponential increases in power. If you need more volume, you need more speakers. But for your intended use, this rig should perform quite well. Just go easy on the bass until you get another sub and amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dedmeet Posted June 26, 2015 Members Share Posted June 26, 2015 OP, while you are at it, toss out that Sonic Sodomizer and see if you can find a decent crossover for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaya_broki Posted June 26, 2015 Author Members Share Posted June 26, 2015 Craig - good deal, thanks for the input. DedMeet - you are hardcore! I Thanks for your input as well! Regards, I would go one box per channel. If you biamp, that's 775w into a box rated 300w RMS. I get more nervous when two boxes are used in this manner on the same channel. If one speaker fails you're extremely likely to zap the other one as well. In these matters it's wise to remember the adage that "it's the first watt that really counts". You don't get much extra volume from adding another 200 watts on top of an existing 300 watts, for example. Power compression will account for a considerable drop in added output, on top of the fact that each doubling of apparent volume requires exponential increases in power. If you need more volume, you need more speakers. But for your intended use, this rig should perform quite well. Just go easy on the bass until you get another sub and amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 26, 2015 Members Share Posted June 26, 2015 Dedmeet, the sub is a Peavey PV118. I have a BBE 2Way Crossover/Sonic Maximizer as well. Thanks The PV118 sub is not powerful enough to keep up with SP2's in what I would consider normal applications and will be your gating item. That said I would use your most powerful amp on the subs and the other for the tops. Most BBE units are not crossovers but instead just split out the bass without doing anything for the tops. It shouldn't hurt anything but it won't give you the best sonic performance. A proper crossover would be preferred. Sodomizer is usually a label attached to them by those not wise enough to use them properly. They usually are not intended to be used in the line out from the mixer and feeding power amps. As Craig mentioned, using proper high pass filters will be essential to protect the speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted June 27, 2015 CMS Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 I was thinking the bigger amp on the tops would provide solid mid-bass so the sub doesn't have to necessarily be driven into oblivion, but as this is a DJ scenario, that might not work. Either way the sub is definitely the weak link here. Well, the BBE isn't a stellar x-over but it'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaya_broki Posted June 28, 2015 Author Members Share Posted June 28, 2015 Well, after trying various configurations, I went with Craig's recommendation of the using the Crown for the Tops (one speaker per channel) and one channel of my QSC (not bridged, and filtered as recommended) to the sub. To say that the sub will not be able to keep up is an understatement....those SP2G's sound incredible. I tried the setup with the BBE and although this allows me to use both the amps and the speakers - it takes bass and mid bass from the SP's...for now I will take it out of the equation as well. Again, thanks to all for your recommendations. Regards, Harry I was thinking the bigger amp on the tops would provide solid mid-bass so the sub doesn't have to necessarily be driven into oblivion' date=' but as this is a DJ scenario, that might not work. Either way the sub is definitely the weak link here. Well, the BBE isn't a stellar x-over but it'll work.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted June 28, 2015 Members Share Posted June 28, 2015 If a proper crossover was used I would expect the draw by the subs would be three time that of the tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vaya_broki Posted June 29, 2015 Author Members Share Posted June 29, 2015 Don, I understand. As I only have one sub and it is not up to par with the SP2G's...I'd rather keep it on the lower powered amp for now. I ended up with the following setup: SP2G's ---> Crown XLS1500 (1 speaker per channel) ---> Pass Through Connection (Line Out) ---> BBE ---> QSC 850RMX ---> Peavey PV118 Sub. This allows me to go full range on the SP2's and have better control (volume, crossover frequency) of the sub. May not be the optimum solution, but the best I can come up with at this time. Again, I appreciate your help. harry If a proper crossover was used I would expect the draw by the subs would be three time that of the tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dedmeet Posted June 29, 2015 Members Share Posted June 29, 2015 The PV118 sub is not powerful enough to keep up with SP2's in what I would consider normal applications and will be your gating item. That said I would use your most powerful amp on the subs and the other for the tops. Most BBE units are not crossovers but instead just split out the bass without doing anything for the tops. It shouldn't hurt anything but it won't give you the best sonic performance. A proper crossover would be preferred. Sodomizer is usually a label attached to them by those not wise enough to use them properly. They usually are not intended to be used in the line out from the mixer and feeding power amps. As Craig mentioned, using proper high pass filters will be essential to protect the speakers. Touche, Dboomer; I guess my cheap shot earned one in return. For the record, I know rather well what the BBE units do and am wise enough to know that their best use is either as insert as an effect on a channel or as a handy door stop. YMMV. That said, I agree with Dboomer on every thing else in his post. I might add that the OP's situation is one where a nice powered subwoofer or two would be a nice addition to his setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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