Members Audiopile Posted April 20, 2014 Members Share Posted April 20, 2014 Where did the older posts and topics go? Never-the-less... I took the forum members advice and put together a 3000 watt bi-amped box mixer rig... used it for the first time tonight playing a little hole-in the wall gig, and it worked outstanding... just the bees-knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted April 20, 2014 Members Share Posted April 20, 2014 3000w bi-amped box mixer is this a new product your gonna be making ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pro Sound Guy Posted April 20, 2014 Members Share Posted April 20, 2014 Typically is a good practice to get the true RMS value of the amp at 8 ohms.Go from there. There is to much of a habit years of lately for the market people to list peak values in bridged mode.It seems to be the "WOW" factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted April 20, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 20, 2014 3000w bi-amped box mixer is this a new product your gonna be making ? No Tommy. It was a topic I raised last year if such a thing existed, being a bi-amped box mixer. The seemingly overwhelming forum members' advice was to simply rack-up a poweramp with a "regular" box mixer, so I threw a Peavey IPR amp inna small rack case with a Carvin XR-1200L box mixer, along with a little Speakon patchbay. The FOH speakers are JBL SRX 712M's mid-highs over EAW SB330 subs... and 4 ea. "batch manufacturer" 10" wedges that are loaded with fairly capable Eminence drivers. It's a pretty spanky rig for the small size, light weight, quick set-up & tear-down and "simplicity". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted April 21, 2014 Members Share Posted April 21, 2014 No Tommy. It was a topic I raised last year if such a thing existed, being a bi-amped box mixer. The seemingly overwhelming forum members' advice was to simply rack-up a poweramp with a "regular" box mixer, so I threw a Peavey IPR amp inna small rack case with a Carvin XR-1200L box mixer, along with a little Speakon patchbay. The FOH speakers are JBL SRX 712M's mid-highs over EAW SB330 subs... and 4 ea. "batch manufacturer" 10" wedges that are loaded with fairly capable Eminence drivers. It's a pretty spanky rig for the small size, light weight, quick set-up & tear-down and "simplicity". Gotcha thought you may have brain stormed you a new product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted April 21, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 21, 2014 Gotcha thought you may have brain stormed you a new product. I thought I did... 'cept nobody seemingly makes it... you gotta assemble it. It seems like there's a market for it. In our area "clubs" are becoming scarce (all but non-existent). The seemingly popular socializing hang-outs are masses of little hole-in-the-wall bistros, internet coffee houses, brew-pubs... that sort of thing. Typically, if the venue has a stage, it's postage stamp sized... there might be a (one) power outlet "available" somewhere in that vicinity of the building... available "area" parking might be within a few blocks... forget parking in the alley to unload gear as the alleys are as busy as the streets since the city planners are seemingly doing what they can to discourage traffic actually on the streets "downtown". The typical performance venue might only seat a hundred... but a glass of wine or artisan beer starts at $4.50... an "assemble it yourself" sandwich results in not much change back from a 10 dollar bill. And "musicians" typically "just want to play" (nothing all that new there)... Anyhoo: There is a seeming need for small, relatively "simple" sound systems that deliver good performance... a couple hundred watts certainly doesn't cut it... and subs are pretty much a must. Besides: decent subs are available that make for better speaker stands when dealing with a 6" high postage stamp sized kidney shaped stage than speaker stands. Good performance in the PA system seems to have a market as there does seem to be discerning audiences of quantity that seek out quality live entertainment. Those crowds seem to be predominately "empty nesters"... mid 40's to mid 60's... and they will cram a bistro to capacity plus and throw money at the wait-staff. They come early (6:00pm - 7:00pm) and stay till 10:00pm - 11:00pm... and lay down some serious cash enjoying themselves, but they do seemingly seek out quality. They don't want to go home bleeding from the ears, but the vocals and leads have to be clean and clear, the bass and drums have to be solid and punchy, the "sound" should be at least as good as they're used to from their vehicle sound system or home entertainment system... and to deliver that does require a capable system. The box mixer idea meets the simplicity and small package need, but generally lacks sufficient power, lacks bi-amp capability, mono FOH is fine (stereo "mains" is seemingly pointless... sort-of), and would be "nice" if it had more than 2 monitor mixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted April 21, 2014 Members Share Posted April 21, 2014 You're onto something here. A few months ago put an 01v in a rack with a carvin 4ch amp and a patch bay on the back. There is now way to do this powering subs, not enough power at 200w @8, and no crossover. But it's very flexible as full range plus 2 or 3 mixes and omni outs are used so the xlr outs can drive a separate FOH amp rack if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted April 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 You're onto something here. A few months ago put an 01v in a rack with a carvin 4ch amp and a patch bay on the back. There is now way to do this powering subs' date=' not enough power at 200w @8, and no crossover. But it's very flexible as full range plus 2 or 3 mixes and omni outs are used so the xlr outs can drive a separate FOH amp rack if needed.[/quote'] I do believe there is a market for PA systems that are as intuitive and easy to use for a musician as a Fender Twin... and delivers the punch and clarity of a Fender Twin... only vocal oriented. I personally believe that a simple box mixer system meets the market except for the fact that powering subs and more than 1 or two monitors is largely ignored by the industry... and subs have basically been a must for most any band's live performance PA system for how long? 30 - 40 years? Just: Mic in here, speaker cables out there... with volume knobs and some crude tone controls, and a power cord seeming works for some... seemingly possibly many... so-long as real results can be achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted April 22, 2014 Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 I do believe there is a market for PA systems that are as intuitive and easy to use for a musician as a Fender Twin... and delivers the punch and clarity of a Fender Twin... only vocal oriented. Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted April 22, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 Me too! Don: I'd be happy to talk concerning my perspective as you're were you are and I'm seeming in one trench where audiences are throwing money at the wait staff of which every (or the) seemingly successful bistro has seen fit in the downtown area to offer quality entertainment (on a Sat night after payday anyway). I do believe that if you follow the money you can pander to a marketable sector of the populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dbMontana Posted April 22, 2014 Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don: I'd be happy to talk concerning my perspective as you're were you are and I'm seeming in one trench where audiences are throwing money at the wait staff of which every (or the) seemingly successful bistro has seen fit in the downtown area to offer quality entertainment (on a Sat night after payday anyway). I do believe that if you follow the money you can pander to a marketable sector of the populace. Agreed. ...but I think "cater to" would be my word preference. Very similar to the Tap Room I work. A business model worthy of notice by the MI manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted April 22, 2014 Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 These are a few pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unalaska Posted April 22, 2014 Members Share Posted April 22, 2014 I can't seem to post pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Audiopile Posted April 23, 2014 Author Members Share Posted April 23, 2014 I can't seem to post pics Pete: I believe that is the new and improved format. Welcome to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dboomer Posted April 23, 2014 Members Share Posted April 23, 2014 And I can't make edits from an iPad without completely starting over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS Author Craig Vecchione Posted April 23, 2014 CMS Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 The forum appears to be in the "Three steps back" phase again. The "One step forward" phase might be next.... Now you know why I only relate what I'm told will happen, and never state that something will happen....when the topic is forum "improvements".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pro Sound Guy Posted April 24, 2014 Members Share Posted April 24, 2014 Is Admin aware of the pic issues?I hope they are getting a list of the fixes needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members twostone Posted April 24, 2014 Members Share Posted April 24, 2014 I do believe there is a market for PA systems that are as intuitive and easy to use for a musician as a Fender Twin... and delivers the punch and clarity of a Fender Twin... only vocal oriented. I personally believe that a simple box mixer system meets the market except for the fact that powering subs and more than 1 or two monitors is largely ignored by the industry... and subs have basically been a must for most any band's live performance PA system for how long? 30 - 40 years? Just: Mic in here, speaker cables out there... with volume knobs and some crude tone controls, and a power cord seeming works for some... seemingly possibly many... so-long as real results can be achieved. Well I think Yorkville once made an attempt with their EX2 systems, but lacks a mixer section. Which the box mixer design could use needed upgrade design. Although might be tough sale competing against your just add a mixer and plug in and play active cabs speaker systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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