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    Saw this guy, Pat Maloney, last night. He uses two microphones. One is set normal and the other is set reverb-drenched. He sings into the normal mic and whistles or scats into the reverberant one. Very effective.

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    Last edited by pogo97; 06-10-2018, 10:37 AM.
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  • #2
    of course, he could just have put a reverb pedal in the line for his mic and not need the second mic and stand...but if he's happy with that, no problemo...
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    • #3
      True. It's a good visual. He sits on a fairly high stool with his feet up and doesn't appear to use a pedal of any sort.
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      • #4
        I have only seen people do the "two mic" thing when using a looper. It seems a lot of extra weight, setup time and effort for something that on the face of it could be achieved far easier. Having said that I do love anyone that's trying something a bit different.
        Last edited by steve mac; 06-11-2018, 02:21 AM.
        Cheers Steve

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        • #5
          An ounce of image is sometimes worth a pound of performance. It is show business after all.

          A pedal might work as well, but he might be more comfortable with that, and it might make the audience go oooo.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Notes_Norton View Post
            An ounce of image is sometimes worth a pound of performance. It is show business after all.

            A pedal might work as well, but he might be more comfortable with that, and it might make the audience go oooo.

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            Zackly. It caught my eye. Much more elegant than stabbing away at little boxes with his feet.
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            • daddymack
              daddymack commented
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              yes but then again, to have all the deep verb just 'happen', rather than switching mics might get an 'oooo' as well...six of one, half a dozen of the other...

            • Voltan
              Voltan commented
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              every other brother using the same technique makes for a boring night observing cookie cutters...

          • #7
            I've seen people use a two mic setup before, but it was for vocals / harmonica - the second mic was running directly into a small, cranked combo amp, which was itself miked up and feeding into the PA.
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            • #8
              Okay, so I figured it would be worth a few minutes of my valuable morning to find a video of this guy with the 2 mics...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl5Nk0b4uVc
              well okay he whistled into it...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcASQQ1P2mw
              didn't use it at all...

              So, from what I found, the second mic is little more than a gimmick, which is fine, gimmicks in the age of video are pretty much de rigeur.
              "We are currently experiencing some technical difficulties due to reality fluctuations. The elves are working tirelessly to patch the correct version of reality. Activities here have been temporarily disabled since the fundamentals of mathematics, physics and reason may be incomprehensible during this indeterminate period of instability. Normal service will be restored once we are certain as to what 'normal' is."

              Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally used up and worn out, shouting '...man, what a ride!'

              "The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively" ~Bob Marley

              Solipsism is the new empiricism. -Alan Burdick

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              • #9
                I'm lazy. I use the same mic for my vocals and my sax. One less stand to set up, one less cable to run. I just don't play the sax as close to the mic as I sing. A Sennheiser MD421 on a boom does the trick. Point it down for sax, point it at my mouth for vocals. If I need to play a short sax fill between vocals, I rear up and put the horn in the air, and the audience likes the show biz effect.

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                • steve mac
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                  Is also one less thing to go wrong

                • Voltan
                  Voltan commented
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                  or one less back up mic when things do...?

                • steve mac
                  steve mac commented
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                  I thought that when I wrote it 🤔. Still can't get past the carrying in, setting up the extra stand/mic/cables

              • #10
                As noted the two mic thing does have us talking about this fellow, much like the Arthur "two sheds" Jackson bit.... Honestly, I really don't think many people would even notice the sound difference, and would just wonder why he needs two mics. For myself, I would never set up two mics. Even in a nice lounge or whatever, I have had more than a few drunks want to come up and sing. Having a second mic up there is like having a sign that says "please invade my stage area". No thanks. Besides, I don't want to be known as Mr. Two Mics!

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                • steve mac
                  steve mac commented
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                  I never thought of the drunk stage invasion but so true. I also suspect my crowd would think I was a duo and someone hadn't showed up.

                • Voltan
                  Voltan commented
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                  some from my old crowd might actually have seen that invisible duo partner... double vision being what it is and all...

                • Notes_Norton
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                  Good point. We discourage sit-ins. Using backing tracks it can often make the sit-in person look bad if he/she doesn't know our arrangement.

              • #11
                I think the reaction here is a bit puzzling. It's no big deal, just a neat idea.

                I dunno about you guys, and I'm not thinking about using two mic because I don't whistle, play the humazoo or anything except sing. And maybe I don't know my stomp boxes but…

                Extra equipment?

                I already own an extra mic and stand and cord (doesn't everybody?) and have an extra channel in my mixer that can be assigned whistle-specific effects onboard. So the two mic approach would cost me nothing. Adding a reverb pedal? If you use a guitar pedal, you'll need to convert xlr to 1/4" unbalanced and then back unless you don't mind a little unbalanced line noise. Or you can buy a vocal processor for $150++. Maybe you already have a power supply, otherwise, you'll likely want that, too.

                Loading in?

                -okay, an extra stand. Otherwise about the same amount of stuff.

                Performing convenience?

                -turn your head and whistle into the second mic vs poke around with your feet and hope you hit the right button
                -head turning is explicit and interesting, pedal poking is what's-he-doing (if anyone cares) and everybody does it

                On stage tidiness?

                - a hunk of equipment at your feet plus the power supply versus an extra mic and stand -- about the same difference

                Sonic integrity?

                - click, the reverb is on and click it's off vs the whistle reverb is always on -- the performer turns his head to whistle and it's there, turns away and the reverb tapers off the whistle as the dry voice rides over it. The audience can clearly see what's going on, and to me that's better than mystery black boxes invisibly messing with your sound.

                Drunks?

                - as if a drunk cares about an extra mic -- at least with two mics you wouldn't be sharing their breath as they sidle up beside you to sing into your vocal mic
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                • #12
                  It's all good, I'm just saying that for myself, the two mic thing wouldn't fly. Drunks sitting in, an extra target to knock over, management thinking they had booked a duo, extra minutes of set-up and tear down time (I play gigs where I might have ten to fifteen minutes up and ten to fifteen minutes down because there's a performer before or after me).

                  I do know harp players that have a mic extension that fits on their vocal stand, and that seems to work for them. I'd be tempted to go that route if I thought I really needed two mics. Considering though that many people can't tell the difference between a trombone and a sax, I'm just thinking the two stand thing is unnecessary. But I'll defend this fellow's right to bring two stands! Just wouldn't do it myself.

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                  • #13
                    I have a Harploc which fits on my mic, but stopped using it as I only use harmonica on a couple of songs a night and I felt it got in the way the rest of the time.
                    Cheers Steve

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                    • #14
                      We bring a spare mic, but only take it out if someone who throws a private party we are playing wants to speak (thank the staff, help, etc.).

                      For us, extra stand could mean an extra trip to the car. We carry two mic stands, two monitor stands, and two speaker stands already. I can't see how to bring another without another trip.

                      But that's us. There is more than one right way to do this.

                      I should talk, I'm thinking about getting a linnstrument. They look really cool, but they are expensive.

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                      • #15
                        Originally posted by Notes_Norton View Post
                        .

                        I should talk, I'm thinking about getting a linnstrument. They look really cool, but they are expensive.

                        Notes
                        yep, looks pretty darn cool
                        and a complete bargain compared to a Selmer Mark VI
                        I'd buy two and save on shipping

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