Members kazper Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 I've always wanted a Virus since they showed up. Never jumped on it, put it on the list of things to get someday. Well There is a Virus "C" around for reasonable $$ but is the TI and it's integration with a computer as a plugin worth the extra difference or is there allot more. Looking for some insight on the real world differences between the "C" and the TI. Sounds, is the plugin working good in (PTLE and LOGIC), etc.. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keybdwizrd Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 I have a TI and use it as a hardware synth. Previously, I owned an Indigo (Virus B engine). I purchased a used Indigo to see how much I liked it before making the major investment in a TI. I liked it. The TI adds graintable synthesis and some other features that are interesting, but not necessarily compelling for the kind of music I do. If you're heavily into "electronic" sounds, effects, noises, glitches, and whatnot, then you'll love the TI. For me, the true value of the TI is found in multi mode, when doing MIDI sequencing. The TI has completely independent multi effects (reverb, delay, chorus, EQ, phaser, chorus, distortion) for all 16 parts - simultaneously. If, however, you're someone who doesn't do much multi-part sequencing, then this is likely not a big wow for you. If in doubt, buy the C first. You should be able to re-sell it and recoup your investment should you decide to upgrade to a TI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 Nothing to add...a perfect summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members electrobaby Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 as was said it depends on what your into...being the owner of a waldorf Q and being into making my Q and modular sound as far left as possible - the wavetables alone would be reason enough for me to go with the TI ( as Im sure pighood could concur)...but it depends on your interests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 being the owner of a waldorf Q and being into making my Q and modular sound as far left as possible - the wavetables alone would be reason enough for me to go with the TI ( as Im sure pighood could concur) I do indeed. If you've got the coin, go TI. There are thousands of patches available for free download that showcase its new OS2 strengths, which are very formidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members unease Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 The Ti does really have a broader palette of sounds. The new oscillators can be brighter than the original ones, which many think sound too dark. I also think that the TI can get more interesting when there are a lot of extreme modulation going on. With the earlier versions you often get a bit messy and digital sound, reminding of sample rate reduction. With the TI you can go further without having this effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Allerian Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 Really a question of "how far do you want to go". The C gives a huge range of sounds. The TI, even more. Can't beat the TI's 16 complete FX sections tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members raffor Posted February 24, 2008 Members Share Posted February 24, 2008 I did the same, by buying a Classic for evaluation reasons. I never bought the TI though even I was very close just because of the shortcomings of the Virus oscillators. They tend to have quite some amount of aliasing in them when played at higher pitch. However, the TI is still a very tempting machine and it looks like the price is coming down. Maybe something new at the Musikmesse?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members unease Posted February 25, 2008 Members Share Posted February 25, 2008 Maybe something new at the Musikmesse?? I doubt that there is a new version around the corner, other than the new Snow. The Snow uses the same OS as the old TIs and there will, at least, be one more OS-update to the existing TI-range including the Atomizer effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kuniklo Posted February 25, 2008 Members Share Posted February 25, 2008 I did the same, by buying a Classic for evaluation reasons. I never bought the TI though even I was very close just because of the shortcomings of the Virus oscillators. They tend to have quite some amount of aliasing in them when played at higher pitch. However, the TI is still a very tempting machine and it looks like the price is coming down. Maybe something new at the Musikmesse?? The classic TI oscillators are the weakest component, indeed. I hope they upgrade these in a future os rev. On the other hand, the new hypersaw and wavetable oscs are a lot brighter so you can escape the characteristically dark Virus sound on the TI pretty easily if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted February 25, 2008 Members Share Posted February 25, 2008 Always buy the most powerful [thing] you can afford. In this case, the TI. BTW: Can someone be specific about the TI's software integration problems? Have they been fixed? What specifically didn't/doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted February 25, 2008 Members Share Posted February 25, 2008 TI integration problems for me were unreliable midi sync and someiomes glitchy audio back from the TI over USB. I havnt experienced either for a long time now on a PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kuniklo Posted February 25, 2008 Members Share Posted February 25, 2008 Timing using the VC plugin is still too dicey for me for realtime keys. It's ok during tracking but even in "live" mode the latency is variable enough that it messes with my keyboard lines. Maybe if I were a better player I'd get used to it but its still variable enough to make it unusable for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moondad Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Timing using the VC plugin is still too dicey for me for realtime keys. It's ok during tracking but even in "live" mode the latency is variable enough that it messes with my keyboard lines. Maybe if I were a better player I'd get used to it but its still variable enough to make it unusable for me. Clicking the 'D' button is necessary for live playing. There is no latency like this, as the sound is routed directly to the analog outs, and not through Virus Control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moondad Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 you can afford.In this case, the TI.BTW: Can someone be specific about the TI's software integration problems? Have they been fixed? What specifically didn't/doesn't work? What host do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Timing using the VC plugin is still too dicey for me for realtime keys. It's ok during tracking but even in "live" mode the latency is variable enough that it messes with my keyboard lines. Maybe if I were a better player I'd get used to it but its still variable enough to make it unusable for me. Not surprising - you would face this issue with any synth if you tried to route the audio entirely through your computer and didnt have ultra low latency midi and audio interfaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Allerian Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Can we have that Atomizer thing yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kuniklo Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Not surprising - you would face this issue with any synth if you tried to route the audio entirely through your computer and didnt have ultra low latency midi and audio interfaces. The problem isn't the overall latency, which is acceptable, it's the variable latency. With software monitoring I can get under 10ms latency, which is fine, but with VC, whether in "Live" mode or using the "D" direct audio function there's enough timing jitter on the usb midi link to throw my playing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members angstwulf Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Only reason I'd take a C over the TI is if money is tight OR you plan on getting the C and maybe a completely different and complimentary synth (maybe a rompler or Moog LP or MEK). From the times that I've played the TI, it feels like a B/C with lots of extra functionality, not just a simple "improvement" over the older synths. I rarely use the multi settings on my Indigo because of the inherent limitations. I has much lust for the extra polyphony, better multi settings and separate FX channels. I actually like the darkness of the B series find that using my Evolver alongside gives me a good offset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members unease Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 The Atomizer will be part of an OS update later this spring according to Access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moondad Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 ...using the "D" direct audio function there's enough timing jitter on the usb midi link to throw my playing off. I have never experienced this, and AFAIK, there is no reason in this case why it should be any different from standard midi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Moondad asked:What host do you use? Logic Pro 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members moondad Posted February 26, 2008 Members Share Posted February 26, 2008 Logic Pro 8. Well, then I'd say you're pretty safe, since Logic is what Access always use to demo their stuff at tradeshows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kuniklo Posted February 27, 2008 Members Share Posted February 27, 2008 I have never experienced this, and AFAIK, there is no reason in this case why it should be any different from standard midi? I have no idea but I'm certainly not the only one that's reported this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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