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    Hi crew, I was just asked for recommendations for a keyboard that will be a gift to my company's CFO when he retires this month. According to his wife, he would like to learn how to play (classical) piano, but he probably won't be going pro or anything, so we don't need to spend a ton.

    We only need piano sound(s), not synth sounds or midi capability.

    We don't need weighted keys or a full grand piano range.

    We do need a decent piano sound and enough octaves that many/most classical pieces could be performed. (Think Mozart etudes rather than Lizst.)

    We've got a Guitar Center and a Sam Ash in walking distance from here. Any recommendations for brands or specific products???

    Thanks!
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    Yamaha - good quality for the price.
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    • #3
      Casio CDP-135 88!

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      • #4
        If he’s going to trying to learn classical piano, I do highly recommend weighted keys.

        as far as brands and models go? There are so many and almost all have decent - to - great piano sounds these days. Any idea of the price range?

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        • #5
          I like the idea of a 1-2 generation old Motif. It seems all my good keys playing friends really want weighted keys. I don’t know if they are that much better to play, or just more familiar as they all started as kids on a piano.

          eta. The MOTIF does not have weighted keys.
          Last edited by gspointer; 06-04-2019, 09:25 AM.
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          • #6
            I didn't get a price range unfortunately. I'm listening to some samples now. I took a look at some Williams Legato keyboards under 200... and then I listened to a Yamaha with only 61 keys, and it sounded mucho better.

            I'll send a few recommendations and describe why that weighted Casio jumps the price up to $400. I would also agree that weighted keys are very important; I just don't know if the company is willing to spend that... Then again, after I heard what kind of money we pay some of our vendors for coding services, it seems like $200 is pennies to our budget. (I only ever deal with hourly fees to copyeditors, which I guess would be farthings.)
            For those who prefer to listen rather than read and who ask these questions: What underlying crimes were being investigated when Trump obstructed justice? Why wasn't he indicted? Why did Mueller discuss indicting a sitting president in Volume II but not Volume I?
            https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Muell...ook/B07PXN468K


            My (old dead) band!:
            www.steelphantoms.com/
            PM me if you want to give me a Deluxe US Strat with locking tuners and 22 frets for <$800. Fancy Strymon pedals welcome too!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gspointer View Post
              I like the idea of a 1-2 generation old Motif. It seems all my good keys playing friends really want weighted keys. I don’t know if they are that much better to play, or just more familiar as they all started as kids on a piano.

              eta. The MOTIF does not have weighted keys.
              Some Motifs do have weighted keys.

              Weighted keys are essential for proper piano playing. For synth and organ playing, they can be a deterrent

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              • #8
                I'd recommend a Casio Privia PX-160, with the optional stand and optional pedal bar / board. All-in, around $585. I have one in my living room, and I really like it a lot. No extra amp required, nice action, good quality sounds - if you want a digital replacement / substitute for an acoustic piano, it's a very good choice IMO, and a great bargain for the quality level you're getting. IOW, it's not junk...

                Edit: If you buy the stand and pedal bar as a bundle, you can save a few bucks more... Sweetwater sells the pair for $150... add $400 for the piano, and you're at around $550, all-in. If you get it locally instead of online, add tax on top of those prices.

                https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...-board-package
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                • #9
                  PS I agree that weighted keys are essential if you're wanting to learn classical piano.
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                  - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                  "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
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                  • #10
                    I've been happy with our Yamaha...but I'm not much of a keyboard player.


                    I use the "Columbus" playing method. Get lost, then find a Key and land on it.
                    Last edited by SteinbergerHack; 06-04-2019, 09:51 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

                      I use the "Columbus" playing method. Get lost, then find a Key and land on it.


                      I'm going to have to try to remember that one...

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                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by arcadesonfire View Post
                        I didn't get a price range unfortunately. I'm listening to some samples now. I took a look at some Williams Legato keyboards under 200... and then I listened to a Yamaha with only 61 keys, and it sounded mucho better.

                        I'll send a few recommendations and describe why that weighted Casio jumps the price up to $400. I would also agree that weighted keys are very important; I just don't know if the company is willing to spend that... Then again, after I heard what kind of money we pay some of our vendors for coding services, it seems like $200 is pennies to our budget. (I only ever deal with hourly fees to copyeditors, which I guess would be farthings.)
                        Honestly, I think this is fairly simple. Yamaha, Casio, Williams and others all make good beginning piano keyboards. If all they care about is the piano sound, then I’d suggest just going to the store and finding the one you think sounds/feels best for the budget you have.

                        As a piano player, I’ve not found one I liked much for under $600, but I’m pretty picky about the sound and the feel. Under that price range and they all pretty much seem like toys to me.

                        Especially for classical piano, you really want it to play like a piano. Yamaha has the best keybeds, IMO. And they have all sorts of options across the price ranges.

                        Also, will they need a stand and a bench?

                        i believe Yamahas cheapest weighted piano is the P-45 at about $450. Personally, I wouldn’t go less than that for someone wanting to learn classical.

                        They have another line of non-weighted pianos called the Piaggero that are around $2-300. I have no experience with those.

                        Casio makes a weighted board called the PX-160 that’s pretty good for around $400

                        If the budget is much below $400 I’d serious consider looking at something used with weighted keys.

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                        • #13
                          One can learn to play classical piano on a non-weighted synth but it’s kinda like learning to play classical guitar on a Strat.

                          Or a ukelele.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by guido61 View Post
                            One can learn to play classical piano on a non-weighted synth but it’s kinda like learning to play classical guitar on a Strat.

                            Or a ukelele.
                            Makes sense! I hear ya.
                            For those who prefer to listen rather than read and who ask these questions: What underlying crimes were being investigated when Trump obstructed justice? Why wasn't he indicted? Why did Mueller discuss indicting a sitting president in Volume II but not Volume I?
                            https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Muell...ook/B07PXN468K


                            My (old dead) band!:
                            www.steelphantoms.com/
                            PM me if you want to give me a Deluxe US Strat with locking tuners and 22 frets for <$800. Fancy Strymon pedals welcome too!

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                            • #15
                              Thanks everybody! I will share some of these recommendations at different price points and will emphasize the difference between weighted and non-weighted. I'll also discuss the option of getting a good stool and foot pedal (as it seems to me that a sustain pedal is also key).
                              For those who prefer to listen rather than read and who ask these questions: What underlying crimes were being investigated when Trump obstructed justice? Why wasn't he indicted? Why did Mueller discuss indicting a sitting president in Volume II but not Volume I?
                              https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Muell...ook/B07PXN468K


                              My (old dead) band!:
                              www.steelphantoms.com/
                              PM me if you want to give me a Deluxe US Strat with locking tuners and 22 frets for <$800. Fancy Strymon pedals welcome too!

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