Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Ok, so Korg have their rather splendid Legacy collection, involving Polysix, Monopoly, MS-20, Wavestation and M1. (More to follow hopefully). Lets imagine Roland had decided to enter the arena seriously. What selection of their past catalogue do you think would be a good introductory release? (before introducing more fill in products) I would like to see maybe: 1) V-Jupiter 8 2) V-SH-101 3) V-MKS-70 4) V-System 100 5) A mixture of the V-SDE and COSM fx & maybe a electronic percussion section including: V-TR808 V-TR909 V-TR77 I know it will probably never happen, but would be interesting to see what people would expect or hope for. Hey! maybe they might even take notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 analog recreations aside.. the next two with all the JV cards on board.D50JD800DR202JP8000XV5080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 analog recreations aside.. the next two with all the JV cards on board. D50 JD800 DR202 JP8000 XV5080 Good selection for the 'Digital Edition' I think maybe the V-Synth could be incorporated too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flowthrough Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 They already have these 3 working on the VariOS... Jupiter-8 (with effects)TB-303D-50 (with VC-1 card of course) Why they don't have VSTs of these (from Roland - not Aurturia) is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members P321 Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 As pointed out, Roland already attempted a virtual Jupiter 8 and TB303 on the VariOS - And the results? Nothing short of bloody awful. People shouldn't mistake a companies ability to do decent sounding digital instruments with an ability to do good analogue emulations. Getting an analogue emulation right is a separate art in itself, and something which goes far beyond mathematical abilities. For evidence of this you need only look as far as Sonic Projects OPX Pro, which uses Synthedit as its basis, yet is a far closer emulation attempt than almost any analogue emulation anybody has yet put out, and that includes far more established hardware companies who have teams of DSP coders. Roland simply aren't going to do better than D16 when it comes to SH101 and 303 emulations (Incidentally, even though I say this, I'm not a huge D16 fan). Roland also licensed Arturia's emulation of the Jupiter 8 - In effect recognizing that they're not going to do a better attempt themselves, and giving it their blessing. Of course, that sucks when you know just how half arsed Arturia's approach to sound emulation is - they're perfectly happy to ballpark synths, and completely ignore many basic things which make an analogue polysynth sound how it does. None of their instruments capture the spirit of the originals in the way something like OPX does.. Digital emulations are a different boat. There's little reason why they couldn't do virtual versions which are exact copies of their D50, JD800, JP8000, or their romplers (well, converters aside). But they don't seem inclined to go in that direction for whatever reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Metrosonus Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 look at their virtual groove synth, it features all the DR202 samples and is supposed to emulate loads of other of theirs and they all sound like {censored}e. so yea i guess i kinda of agree Roland isn't prepared to enter the VSTi market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Citizen Klaus Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I think maybe the V-Synth could be incorporated too I'd think a software version of the VariOS, with an updated assortment of effects and COSM models, would work just as well. Really, once you take away AP Synthesis (and account for the difference in processing power), the big advantage of the V-Synth over the VariOS is that the former incorporates such a huge variety of expression controls. For a software V-Synth to adequately replicate the hardware version, you'd have to attach one heck of a MIDI controller. And then you'd basically have a hardware V-Synth, anyway -- just with a lot less portability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members xanderbeanz Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 vst's of old synths was so 2006 XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Roland lost Eric Persing and replaced him with corporate weasels. At least so it seems.I think pretty much anyone would do a much better job than Roland at re-creating old Rolands. It simply isn't the same company anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I think pretty much anyone would do a much better job than Roland at re-creating old Rolands. It simply isn't the same company anymore. Hmm, but Korg did a pretty good job. And far as I know, they aren't the same company they were? If they can do things like the V-Synth, I see no reason why they couldn't conjour up something reasonably good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 The company that Korg is now, still lives up to its name. In fact, if anything, Korg is cooler now than it was in the 80s. The V-Synth was released 6 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr.Wu Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 i wouldnt hold my breath for a software solution, at least not from Roland themselves. Maybe Arturia will do it if they can get the liscenses. The closest you can get to a Legacy Roland synth today is the V-Synth XT. It has the D-50, a TB303 filter, VP330 vocoding and a JP-8000 emulation.Add a XV5080 filled with boards and you got the last 20 years of Roland Synth history covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 @ CR Your right of course, although Im one of the few here who really like their early vintage stuff, I can still appreiciate that they are now a much stronger company than they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flowthrough Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 As pointed out, Roland already attempted a virtual Jupiter 8 and TB303 on the VariOS - And the results? Nothing short of bloody awful. hmm.. I quite like the Jupiter 8 on the VariOS (results vary by user I suppose). It's one of my favorite virtual analogs actually. to boot, the effects section of this synth is fantastic. I prefer the VariOS-8 to an MKS-50 or 30 (not going to take on an MKS80- but in a mix, it works well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members evildragon Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Hm, a good question. So let's see: SH-101TB-303TR-808TR-909Jupiter-8JX-10 D-50JD-990 with all expansionsV-Synth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I quite like the Jupiter 8 on the VariOS (results vary by user I suppose). I seem to remember Don not being very impressed with it I haven't really heard it in person though, only demos which of course only give a rough idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flowthrough Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I seem to remember Don not being very impressed with it I haven't really heard it in person though, only demos which of course only give a rough idea. Don't think Don *owned* one- didn't Analog Kid say he liked them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Don't think Don *owned* one- didn't Analog Kid say he liked them? Yes, Im sure he did have a Varios for a while. I think he did a really cool vocal demo on it if my memory serves me correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members P321 Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 hmm.. I quite like the Jupiter 8 on the VariOS (results vary by user I suppose). It's one of my favorite virtual analogs actually. to boot, the effects section of this synth is fantastic. I prefer the VariOS-8 to an MKS-50 or 30 (not going to take on an MKS80- but in a mix, it works well). That's fair enough. My comment was more about it in terms of an emulation attempt, rather than whether or not it was a usable VA.. It's not unlike a lot of hardware which start out as attempts of various synths, fail at that to varying degrees, but still turn out to be synths with their own merits.. Ala Nord Lead, AN1x etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flowthrough Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 That's fair enough. My comment was more about it in terms of an emulation attempt, rather than whether or not it was a usable VA.. It's not unlike a lot of hardware which start out as attempts of various synths, fail at that to varying degrees, but still turn out to be synths with their own merits.. Ala Nord Lead, AN1x etc.. :wave:I think I understand- you're saying as an emulation of a Jupiter 8 it's a failure? - but conceding it may be a decent VA in it's own right. I admit owning it is not compelling me to sell my Jupiter6 ... but I would sell an MKS50 or MKS30 (if I had one) and keep the VairOS8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 - but conceding it may be a decent VA in it's own right. Interesting. Sounds like it may be worth a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roland-Varios_W0QQitemZ110435606650QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Pro_Audio_Synthesisers_CV?hash=item19b679a07a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Will power, I haveth none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bernard Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 I would like to see maybe: 2) V-SH-101 http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/09/18/multipurpose-synth-with-layered-architecture/ The sonic state team seemed to like this one, may be worth a check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted September 24, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/09/18/multipurpose-synth-with-layered-architecture/ The sonic state team seemed to like this one, may be worth a check. Indeed Sir! but I still wonder why Roland themselves haven't invested in developing this software. Im almost certain, someone in the company must have questioned it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted September 24, 2009 Members Share Posted September 24, 2009 Wouldn't it be up to Cakewalk now that they are owned by Roland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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