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  • #16
    Originally posted by kbeaumont View Post
    I would use ableton live and push. You can select various midi scenes in real time using the push controller. Large lighted buttons and made for live performance. https://www.ableton.com/en/push/


    Its not just for beats or EM music, this can be used for much more than that.
    And the best thing about Live is that the engine is utterly reliable - it just works. I don't think I've ever even talked to anyone who's experienced a crash - and that's absolutely crucial in a live performance situation...

    That, plus a large-button MIDI foot controller for triggering like onelife mentioned would be my recommendation.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by moogerfooger View Post

      you might look at band in a box. protools has score editing as does digital performer and others.
      Pro Tools does allow you to edit using standard notation, but I still think C-Lab / Emagic did it better with Notator on the Atari ST back in the late 80s - MIDI has never been the strongest area of PT, although it certainly got better after versions 7-9. Nothing beats it IMO for audio editing though.

      Steinbergerhack, are you running a Mac or a PC?

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      - George Carlin

      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

        And the best thing about Live is that the engine is utterly reliable - it just works. I don't think I've ever even talked to anyone who's experienced a crash - and that's absolutely crucial in a live performance situation...

        That, plus a large-button MIDI foot controller for triggering like onelife mentioned would be my recommendation.
        I've always wanted to like Live, I have version 8 yet. To the best of my knowledge it and DP are the only two programs that will allow you to have a whole list of independent multi-track sequences within one file. I seriously considered switching to Live at one point when I was rearranging/updating my keyboard rig but ran into a snag trying to send control/patch changes or sysex to one of my keyboards, I don't even recall the details now but ended up back with DP because I'm always crunched for time.

        Recently I wanted to try it again when I needed a program for some sampling on a one off gig. I soon discovered that in order to get the multi-sampling that I needed I'd have to have the Suite version or get the add-on. Enter Reason 8 which I already had and with the ease of NN-XT (which I'd never actually dug into before) I got the job done with minimal fuss and no additional expense. Make no mistake that DP and Reason are also road tested solid programs.

        Ironically I have found Live to be useful but it's more for the great time/pitch stretching capabilities it has when trying to work up songs while at home!
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        • #19
          Originally posted by onelife View Post
          A big concern is timing. Are you going to play to a click/cue track?

          A programable MIDI foot controller such as the Yamaha MFC10 may help you trigger the parts in real time.

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          Good thought! I have an ADA MIDI board that I generally use for my guitar rig, but might be able to get by without for this gig. I'm only playing a few of the tunes, conducting the majority.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

            Pro Tools does allow you to edit using standard notation, but I still think C-Lab / Emagic did it better with Notator on the Atari ST back in the late 80s - MIDI has never been the strongest area of PT, although it certainly got better after versions 7-9. Nothing beats it IMO for audio editing though.

            Steinbergerhack, are you running a Mac or a PC?
            PC
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            • #21
              How many songs do you need to sequence, and how many parts per song?

              Would a hardware sequencer (like say, a used Alesis MMT-8) be able to meet your needs?

              Will you be creating the sequences in advance or live on the spot?
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              - George Carlin

              "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
              - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

              "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
              - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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              • #22
                You could use a beam controller or two to trigger stuff.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                  How many songs do you need to sequence, and how many parts per song?
                  5 songs, 2 or 3 tracks per.

                  Would a hardware sequencer (like say, a used Alesis MMT-8) be able to meet your needs?[
                  Maybe, if I can program it easily and validate against the score

                  Will you be creating the sequences in advance or live on the spot?
                  All in advance, and they need to be very precise and timing must be predictable.
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                  • #24
                    What about a cue feed for the drummer and / or rest of the band? If you're all going to play with sequences, that's absolutely essential...

                    The downside to a hardware sequencer is you won't be able to use standard notation with it unless you use a computer sequencer and then transfer the parts to the hardware sequencer.


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                    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                    - George Carlin

                    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                      What about a cue feed for the drummer and / or rest of the band? If you're all going to play with sequences, that's absolutely essential...
                      We have two individual monitors for the pit, and we're using a Behringer X32 console so we can set mix easily. Shouldn't be a problem (famous last words before disaster strikes....).
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                      • #26
                        What sort of parts will you be using the MIDI sequencer for? Are they percussive, requiering precise timing (but easier to follow), or are they more legato like keyboard washes?

                        The Yamaha MFC10 I referred to earlier can be programmed to output MIDI note numbers. Multiple notes can be assigned to a single button so you can play chords - in fact, the MFC10 comes from the factory programmed to play the opening riff from Van Halen's "Jump."
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                        • #27
                          Wedges won't work for a cue feed. At bare minimum the drummer (and / or conductor) will need a headset (or IEMs) and a click track in order for the orchestra to remain in sync with the sequencer (regardless of what sequencer you use), and you really don't want the audience to hear the click via the wedges / floor monitors.

                          Also, it's important to know whether the drummer is experienced and comfortable with playing with a click before deciding to proceed.
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                          "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                          - George Carlin

                          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                            Wedges won't work for a cue feed. At bare minimum the drummer (and / or conductor) will need a headset (or IEMs) and a click track in order for the orchestra to remain in sync with the sequencer (regardless of what sequencer you use), and you really don't want the audience to hear the click via the wedges / floor monitors.

                            Also, it's important to know whether the drummer is experienced and comfortable with playing with a click before deciding to proceed.
                            This is how we do it. The band all use IEM and I run the click out on a different channel from my interface to the sound company who in turn plays it back to us in the monitors only.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                              Wedges won't work for a cue feed. At bare minimum the drummer (and / or conductor) will need a headset (or IEMs) and a click track in order for the orchestra to remain in sync with the sequencer (regardless of what sequencer you use), and you really don't want the audience to hear the click via the wedges / floor monitors.

                              Also, it's important to know whether the drummer is experienced and comfortable with playing with a click before deciding to proceed.
                              We have feeds available if someone wants to run their own IEM, but there's no budget to provide them.

                              Every sequenced part has at least one percussive key line (harpsichord or equivalent playing steady repetitive rhythms) that runs throughout the piece or drops out partway through. Beyond that it's either percussion or loose wash FX. They are VERY easy to follow (easier than trying to stay with a pianist who won't watch the baton - my personal pet peeve).

                              The pit group is quite good, and even n the first read-through they were following my conducted timing.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SteinbergerHack View Post

                                We have feeds available if someone wants to run their own IEM, but there's no budget to provide them.

                                Every sequenced part has at least one percussive key line (harpsichord or equivalent playing steady repetitive rhythms) that runs throughout the piece or drops out partway through. Beyond that it's either percussion or loose wash FX. They are VERY easy to follow (easier than trying to stay with a pianist who won't watch the baton - my personal pet peeve).

                                The pit group is quite good, and even n the first read-through they were following my conducted timing.

                                If parts of the sequence come in and out, there's just no practical way to stay in sync without someone referencing a continuous click track - and if you have that running through the wedges at a level loud enough for the conductor and / or musicians to hear and reference, there's a very good chance the audience will hear it too.
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                                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                                - George Carlin

                                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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