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  • Anderton
    started a topic DigiTech Vocalist Live 4 (VL4)

    DigiTech Vocalist Live 4 (VL4)

    Don't you just LOVE BBS software? I started the review and copied over some of the excellent posts on the VL4 that were in the VL2 thread, and something happened during one of the copy operations that nuked the VL4 thread. So I'm starting over...major apologies to those who had submitted such great tips, I'm really sorry the BBS killed them. I'll try to see if there's some way to recover them later tonight.



    Anyway, back the VL4, which thankfully was not programmed by the same people who did the BBS software! The image shows an overview of the piece. You'll note there's a MusIQ switch to turn off the function that ties harmonies to your guitar playing, which means you can specify particular scales and keys. You'll also notice four footswitches instead of the two on the VL2: Effects, Harmony, and preset up/down.



    The other obvious difference is that there are a lot more editable parameters -- you'll see the familiar DigiTech "matrix of parameters" printed on the front panel. You have five knobs to tweak these (AFAIC a big improvement over the one knob/increment-decrement button approach), and three mix knobs.

  • foxwaves
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    Anyone still using the VL4? I use mine in my studio and am curious about how others connect the VL4 to their interface. Thanks.

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  • Anderton
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubcaps2
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    An update :

    I took the VL4 to a technician who solved the problem by doing a factory reset...




    Thanks for the tip! I guess it's important to remember that in today's microprocessor-driven gear, the occasional reboot is probably a good idea...as long as you remember to save your patches first, so you can reload them.

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  • hubcaps2
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    Quote Originally Posted by hubcaps2
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    My VL4 is now 3 years old and it's got a fault which I think is in the mic pre-amp stage. The unit works OK for a while then at frequent intervals produces a short duration VERY loud distorted "spike" in the output.

    Anyone had a similar fault and if so was it easy to get repaired ?




    An update :

    I took the VL4 to a technician who solved the problem by doing a factory reset...

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  • ocheye
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKERUSSELL
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    you take your foot and press the

    "HARMONY" Pedal on your VL4 and instead of a great 3 part harmony

    you sound just like Alvin and the Chipmunks.



    Danny Ray Thomas



    ***




    I've done the 'chipmunk' bit and the robot and the giant. I'm just clumsy. When I'm wearing trainers I am most likely to do the damage. Wearing narrow shoes or boots definitely helps. It's just nice to know I'm not the only one

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  • m1westwood
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    Quote Originally Posted by coon
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    I have a Vocalist L4. problem is that the PA signal is also coming thru my guitar amp??

    I use:

    1.Guitar thru to my pedal board with the guitar off to the PA, only to vocals sent to the PA.

    I can hear the vocal(s) coming thru my amp as well as any mp3 player that is being played thru the PA.

    What gives?? I need help as this often cause feedback with my vocal mic.




    OK, so you are plugging your guitar straight into the "Guitar In", and then running your guitar out from the "Guitar Thru" to your effect pedals, which then go out to the PA system, right? You may want to try turning the guitar volume knob on the VL4 all the way off - no need for that if you are using guitar thru and don't want the guitar coming through the normal outputs.



    What guitar are you using? Does it have a Piezo pickup or are you mic'ing it / using a mic pickup? If mic, you may be getting bleed from the PA speakers back into your guitar mic. This could also be the case with the MP3 player - your guitar mic is picking up the MP3 music out of PA speakers.



    If you are using a piezo pickup, this will not be an issue - and it might be a bug in the VL4.

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  • coon
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    I have a Vocalist L4. problem is that the PA signal is also coming thru my guitar amp??

    I use:

    1.Guitar thru to my pedal board with the guitar off to the PA, only to vocals sent to the PA.

    I can hear the vocal(s) coming thru my amp as well as any mp3 player that is being played thru the PA.

    What gives?? I need help as this often cause feedback with my vocal mic.

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  • coon
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    I have a Vocalist L4. problem is that the PA signal is also coming thru my guitar amp??

    I use:

    1.Guitar thru to my pedal board with the guitar off to the PA, only to vocals sent to the PA.

    I can hear the vocal(s) coming thru my amp as well as any mp3 player that is being played thru the PA.

    What gives?? I need help as this often cause feedback with my vocal mic.

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  • Anderton
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    Hi JD! Welcome to the forum, and thank you for sharing your expertise.



    However...I'd advise not playing in the rain, so you can continue to share your expertise!

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  • JD Rocker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Angel
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    Hi SoloArtist,



    My VL4 is on back order too. I was referring to hiss reported by one of the members in the VL2 thread regarding his VL4.



    From everything I have read and it has been a lot there is NO WAY I am not getting this thing. It seems to be a truly remarkable piece of equipment. I am just curious if others have experienced the same hiss he had reported.



    My initial response to him was to mention the ground lift switch and he said it helped with hum but did nothing with the hiss. He did say that how he set the Gate did seem to have an affect on it but I am most interested in learning if increasing the mic input level has any affect on reducing the hiss.



    By the way, it was not reported as being a major problem, especially live. More of a concern in the studio.



    Also, he did mention he was using power line conditioning and his system was clean in terms of doing an A/B comparision using mic into his board (no hiss) versus mic into VL4 (hiss).



    Anyone else experiencing a similar problem? Have you found any work around solutions? Any constructive feedback on the matter would be appreciated.



    Thanks.




    I wanted to tell everyone. I have been using a Live 4 for many years now. I think I was one of the first to purchase one at the Music store when they got them in the first time.

    I haven't had hiss on any of my mixers.

    I used a Makie CFX20 for several years and now I am using a Presonus 24.4.2 Live. I have always used Gates DBX 166, DBX1066 and now the preamp gate/expander in the Presonus Board.

    I run my power cord for my Live 4 off the same power as my mixer. I have made a special cable for the front of the stage to accomodate all size stages we are on. I think my cables are 60' long. I have grown from just a basic sound system 3 way with Bi-amp monitors to a sound system with over 10,000 watts of monitors and a front of house system that can push over 30,000 watts. I have never had hiss on my Live 4.

    I do know from many years of experience of mixing National acts that your levels are very important. I use the premp signal light on Green and with my voice I have a lot of dynamics and volume on stage I can clip the Red light pretty easily when I sing loud, so I have backed off the input gain. IF you adjust your output gain with you mixer or other effects so they will not clip when you are on your louder dynamics you should be Ok.

    I have never used my live 4 with Guitar plug into it and it has seemed to work very well.



    IF you have hiss check the following:



    Power from same source of mixer or use the ground lift button on the back of the unit.

    Check to make sure your phatom power button is off on the channel you are using the Live 4 on?

    Check input and output levels to make sure they are not to high. Some inexpensive mixers will have dirty inputs and may give you a hiss anyway.

    A better microphone will help also. I use the old Industry standard a Shure SM 58 for durability. (IF using the SM 58 in the rain make sure you tilt the microphone head down so water will not get in you mic.)

    Make sure your phatom power switch is off on the Live 4 unless your mic needs phatom power.



    I have only had one issue and it was using the Elvis setting. It started to give me feedback because of the deep reverb setting it has on it.

    Please use a good graphic or digital equalizers 28 bands or more to adjust you eq on your speakers. I use a DBX Drive rack on my system and I have DBX 2231 graphic equalizers on my monitors and mains.

    I would like to let you know that I have played in the rain many of times and I love the switches on the Live 4 because I have only had one time the unit started flashing and acting up from being the rain. I immediately unpluged it and let it dry out for a couple of days and it still works GREAT.

    You can see it on some of m pictures on Facebook and myspace. JD and The Bad Boys.

    I think I got more than my money out if my Live 4 .

    Keep Rockin my Brothers and Sisters of Music!

    Rock On,

    JD

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  • MIKERUSSELL
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    I tried everything I could and I still hear bleeding when I press the harmony pedal.

    Even when I play really gently I hear a distortion kind of noise , more like chorus.

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  • MIKERUSSELL
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    I'm pretty new to all this electronic stuff , my gate is usually at -50 . I will try a piece of cardboard over the sound hole today and try a non condenser mic. If sound hole is the issue , I will carve a small hole in the sound buster to accept my volume control .

    Thank's again

    Mike

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  • davidsol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKERUSSELL
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    Thank's

    I do sit when I play , have a sound buster but won't fit on my guitar (sound hole volume).

    Turned down mic. volume on mic. at mixer and bleeding stop, so it's coming from there.

    Might try an alternative to condenser mic.




    Changing from a condenser mic will also help, I only get bleeding with a condenser, have you tried using the gate values ?

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  • MIKERUSSELL
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    If you use your VL4 "LIVE" then you've probably already had this experience.

    You have everything for your gig all set up. You started your first set and

    half way through your first tune it happens, you take your foot and press the

    "HARMONY" Pedal on your VL4 and instead of a great 3 part harmony

    you sound just like Alvin and the Chipmunks.

    WHY????



    Because while you were making eye contact with your audience,

    your foot made contact with the "DOWN" Program Pedal instead.



    I am terrible at finding the right stomp pedal because I cannot stand still.

    If your one who stands at the microphone and keeps your foot on the pedal

    all the time then you probably haven't had this problem.

    But if you really get into your music then something must be done!



    This is what I came up with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







    Aluminum Tubing 2 1/4 " wide by 1/2" Thick.



    I cut a piece 12" long then sliced one end at 2" by 2" with a 1/4" lip on both ends.



    It fits over the "HARMONY" Pedal like a glove, stays where you put it,

    and your foot can approach from any angle without hitting any of the other Pedals.



    Hey! DigiTech DUDES!!!!!

    How about making a fancy high impact extruded plastic version for sale for a few bucks?????



    Danny Ray Thomas



    ***

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  • MIKERUSSELL
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    Thank's

    I do sit when I play , have a sound buster but won't fit on my guitar (sound hole volume).

    Turned down mic. volume on mic. at mixer and bleeding stop, so it's coming from there.

    Might try an alternative to condenser mic.

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