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  • Dan, as to the M Mod / V Mod, it's best to use one or the other in your Gilmore Jr. As to how the new product works with the V Mod, I have no idea, but since the V Mod is a tone control thing, I don't think it should pose a problem, although the crunch factor is greater with the M Mod... but again, I do not know for certain - Rich?
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    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
    - George Carlin

    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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    • Regarding the 'V' and 'M' mods, Phil is correct, the 'M' mod changes the gain of the Gilmore Jr Kit and the 'V' mod changes the tone stack. Just for info, the 2 x EL84 Ardmore Kit features the 'V' mod stock.

      The 'V' and 'M' mods sound better when installed alone. The Instrument Out Box works well with Stock, V or M modded Gilmore Jrs. Since the 'M' mod povides more gain, it gives the Instrument Out Box a stronger sounding signal to push the front end of your larger wattage amp.

      Thanks for asking
      Best regards,
      Rich
      www.guytronix.com

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      • why not wire it so you could have both mods, and be able to take either in or out of the circuit? a rotor wafer type switch? or toggles? can't wait to try out one of these...

        paulski
        My Gear:

        Herco Flex 75 picks
        Jim Dunlop medium picks courtesy of Lord Wein
        GHS Boomer strings
        Dunlop strings, which I have yet to try
        Electric guitar A
        Electric guitar B
        Electric guitar C
        Electric guitar D
        Electric guitar E
        Bass guitar parts
        Acoustic guitar A
        Acoustic guitar B
        Acoustic guitar C
        Amplifier A
        Amplifier B
        Amplifier C
        Box full of stomp boxes and wah peddles from the 80s 90s and 00s
        Box full of cables
        Some recording stuff
        No talent

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        • Paul, I imagine you could work something like that up, but I'd have to look at it closely to design something like that - which is beyond the scope of this Pro Review... but I will say that if you're an experienced amp builder / modder, either of these amps would serve well as a basic platform to work from.
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          "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
          - George Carlin

          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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          • One of my Customers installed a bunch of toggle switches on his Gilmore Jr to switch in and out the various components from stock to 'V', 'M' and bright mod components. It provided for interesting combinations. You can see his build on my 'Builder's Pictures' area on my site.
            Best regards,
            Rich
            www.guytronix.com

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            • Originally posted by paulskirocks
              why not wire it so you could have both mods, and be able to take either in or out of the circuit? a rotor wafer type switch? or toggles? can't wait to try out one of these...

              paulski



              *drool*

              Richard... any help with this?
              Wants:
              16 ohm V30's and/or 8 ohm G12T-75's
              Has:
              Diezel Herbert
              RedBear mk120
              '67 SF Bandmaster
              Traynor YBA-1 (lower wattage version)
              Rivera Suprema 55 (on its way)
              Mesa oversized 4x12
              Early Mesa Mark series 4x12
              G-Flex 2x12
              Epi Elitist '61 Reissue w/nailbomb in bridge
              Ibanez S prestige
              Am Std. Strat w/Maple board w/ BK Mule in the Bridge soon...
              Greco ES-355 clone
              Boss RC20XL
              DOD YJM (modded by a forumite to 250+ specs)
              Ibanez DL5
              Z.Vex Ooh Wah 2 (for Sale)

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              • Hello FWAxeIbanez,

                The Customer took each changed part in the 'M' and 'V' mod instructions and mounted them on a terminal strip. He then used DPST switches to either retain 'stock' or toggle in the changed values. I think I have some additional pics here somewhere that I can send you. Please email me at support@guytronix.com as I will reply with whatever I find on the matter.
                Best regards,
                Rich
                www.guytronix.com

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                • Hey Phil, you available for checking out amps and mics on the 27th or 28th?
                  Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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                  • Okay, it's a "go" for the 27th of this month. If anyone else would like to attend and try these cool little amps out in person, please drop me an email or PM.
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                    "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                    - George Carlin

                    "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                    - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                    "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                    - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                    • Anyone? Class? Bueller?

                      This Saturday at my place in Riverside for the play test / recording. If you're interested, please send me a PM.
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                      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                      • So we hung out yesterday at Phil's place. The Gilmore and Ardmore really cost very little, but still sound awesome.

                        The Gilmore breaks up a little more, very useful for a lot of things, including getting some rockin' distortion at low volumes. A Gretsch through the unit yielded some instant "Won't Get Fooled Again" sort of distortion. Nice!

                        The Ardmore was my personal favorite although quite frankly, they're both very good. It had nice glassy highs and a little more headroom. Beautiful tone.

                        We fired up a Carr Rambler right next to them, just for fun, not so much for comparison, but just for fun. That amp is great, and everything sounds great through it.

                        The other two are a freakin' bargain. Paulskirocks was really impressed with both of them. We were really impressed when Phil put numerous guitars through the Diamond delay and then through both amps in 'stereo'.

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                        Also for fun, we fired up the Soundelux 251, The Soundelux 250, and the Lawson L251.

                        The first thing that we noticed was that the Lawson had 6 dB lower output in cardioid when compared to the Soundelux (it was I think 3 dB lower for figure-8 and omni, if memory serves).

                        Similar. Remarkably similar, in fact. The Soundelux had a more pronounced top end, that beautiful top end that these mics are known for. Whether that's better or worse is subjective. The mids and bottom end seemed very close in comparison.

                        When the Lawson L251 was in cardioid, it sounded virtually identical to the Soundelux 250. Eerily similar.

                        When the Soundelux 251 and the Lawson L251 were in figure-8, they sounded almost identical, including the top end, the main difference being that the Lawson L251 was roughly 3 dB lower in output.

                        Clearly, each mic has their merits. The Lawson has infinitely variable polar patterns, making it rather flexible. Paulskirocks described it as being "smoother" sounding than the 251 when both were in cardioid.

                        The Soundelux 251 has a gorgeous, more pronounced top end. The Lawson can be juiced to do this by sending it back to Gene Lawson if you so want it. I'll probably leave it just as is, but it's always good to know.

                        The Soundelux 250 has less top end than the Soundelux 251, and can be good for many applications where accentuating the top end could be an issue. The 250 is a fixed cardioid (no other polar patterns), so that may be an issue to some, although it may be a moot point for many since it's been discontinued, according to Phil.

                        I want to emphasize that this comparison was not even close to being scientific.

                        Very fun overall, hanging out, blabbing, playing, listening to CDs and the above, etc.

                        Thank you very much to Phil for hosting this and for his warm hospitality, and Paulskirocks for coming out and hanging out!
                        Ken Lee on 500px / Ken's Photo Store / Ken Lee Photography Facebook Website / Blueberry Buddha Studios / Ajanta Palace Houseboat - Kashmir / Hotel Green View - Kashmir / Eleven Shadows website / Ken Lee Photography Blog / Akai 12-track tape transfers / MY NEW ALBUM! The Mercury Seven

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                        • Glad to hear it was fun - if I weren't on the other side of the country (in Florida) I definately would've come to hang out.

                          I'm trying to figure out exactly how loud a 1/2 watt amp and 8 watt amp are. I live in an apartment, and even though my Deluxe Reverb is only 18 watts, it's too loud on anything past volume 2-3.

                          If my memory (and math) serves me correctly, doubling the wattage for a given speaker/cab adds 3dB, and it takes about 10dB for the human ear to subjectively judge a volume as "2x as loud".

                          Which pretty much means that an 8 watt amp (assuming I run it through my Deluxe speakers) would only be about 3dB less loud. Wow. And the 1/2 watt would be maybe 1/3 as loud (15dB less).

                          Does this sound right to you guys?

                          And Phil, which amp did you decide to keep?

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                          • Hello papamaverick

                            Here is a handy 'ball-park' list that you might like. Info thanks to amptone.com

                            40 watts is 94% as loud as 50 watts.
                            30 watts is 86% as loud as 50 watts.
                            25 watts is 81% as loud as 50 watts.
                            22 watts is 78% as loud as 50 watts.
                            20 watts is 76% as loud as 50 watts.
                            18 watts is 74% as loud as 50 watts.
                            15 watts is 70% as loud as 50 watts.
                            12 watts is 65% as loud as 50 watts.
                            10 watts is 62% as loud as 50 watts.
                            9 watts is 60% as loud as 50 watts.
                            8 watts is 56% as loud as 50 watts.
                            7 watts is 55% as loud as 50 watts.
                            6 watts is 53% as loud as 50 watts.
                            5 watts is 50% as loud as 50 watts.
                            4 watts is 47% as loud as 50 watts.
                            3 watts is 43% as loud as 50 watts.
                            2 watts is 38% as loud as 50 watts.
                            1 watt is 31% as loud as 50 watts.
                            3/4 watt is 28% as loud as 50 watts.
                            1/2 watt is 25% as loud as 50 watts.
                            1/4 watt is 20% as loud as 50 watts.
                            1/10 watt is 15% as loud as 50 watts.
                            50mW is 13% as loud as 50 watts
                            20mW is 10% as loud as 50 watts.
                            10mW is 8% as loud as 50 watts.
                            5mW is 6% as loud as 50 watts.
                            1mW is 4% as loud as 50 watts.
                            0.5mW is 3% as loud as 50 watts.
                            0.1mW is 2% as loud as 50 watts.
                            50uW is 1.6% as loud as 50 watts.
                            10uW is 1% as loud as 50 watts.
                            Best regards,
                            Rich
                            www.guytronix.com

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                            • well... i'm finally back in town... we had a good time hanging out, as well as getting to sample the amps... i also lean towards the ardmore, although it is a tough decision... i suppose we should have recorded some samples, but , oh well...

                              i just had fun, and appreciate phil for having us over and letting me noodle away on the amps and his different guitars... it was also fun listening to phil and ken talk shop while i sit and try to decipher!

                              bottom line for the amps is the tone was great, regardless of the price...
                              My Gear:

                              Herco Flex 75 picks
                              Jim Dunlop medium picks courtesy of Lord Wein
                              GHS Boomer strings
                              Dunlop strings, which I have yet to try
                              Electric guitar A
                              Electric guitar B
                              Electric guitar C
                              Electric guitar D
                              Electric guitar E
                              Bass guitar parts
                              Acoustic guitar A
                              Acoustic guitar B
                              Acoustic guitar C
                              Amplifier A
                              Amplifier B
                              Amplifier C
                              Box full of stomp boxes and wah peddles from the 80s 90s and 00s
                              Box full of cables
                              Some recording stuff
                              No talent

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                              • I really enjoyed Ken and Paul's visit. We had a good time, and both of them seemed to be pretty impressed with the Guytronix amp kits, as am I.

                                Unfortunately, we didn't record any clips, so that's going to fall on me to do... I have ordered a 16 Ohm Weber Blue Dog Alnico speaker and it should be here on Monday. I'm going to wait until that arrives so I have another speaker option to use, and then do some clips, take a few more pictures and (finally!) write up my conclusions.

                                Stay tuned...
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                                "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                                - George Carlin

                                "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                                - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                                "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                                - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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