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  • #46
    Originally posted by Zooey View Post

    Do you also avoid player's perspective on other percussion instruments like vibraphone or piano?
    All of those instruments are perceived by the audience as a point source in the stereo field, not as having a stereo field in and of themselves. Unless specifically directed otherwise by a client I treat them as such. I find that they sit in a mix much better that way.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

      All of those instruments are perceived by the audience as a point source in the stereo field, not as having a stereo field in and of themselves.
      I might have misunderstood what you do with drums, I understood your comment to mean you pan the drums opposite of player's perspective.

      Drums are the same way as what you describe. You don't sit in the audience and hear the hi-hat on the on the right hand side of the drummer's body and the floor tom on the left.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by E-money View Post

        Or steel drum?
        I've had the distinct pleasure of running live sound for, and also recording a steel drum band from Trinidad and Tobago. When you get 20 or so sets of pans going all at once, it's quite a sound!

        You may decide to pan the individual err, pans, but once you get out into the audience, they're a point source, as Anton was saying. About the only person who gets any kind of stereo perspective is a player who is playing two or three different pans. If a pannist is playing a single pan, then they're hearing it as a point source too.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Zooey View Post

          I might have misunderstood what you do with drums, I understood your comment to mean you pan the drums opposite of player's perspective.

          Drums are the same way as what you describe. You don't sit in the audience and hear the hi-hat on the on the right hand side of the drummer's body and the floor tom on the left.
          You're correct, drums are also perceived as a point source. However, in recording, I almost always use a stereo pair to capture the room, and those mics get panned wide because the drum set being roughly in the center of the image is well represented by the room mics, and will give the recording a "natural" sound that our ears can relate to. For similar reasons, film recordists and mixers will always add "room tone" to any dubbed scene or dialog - it sounds unnatural without.
          Last edited by Red Ant; 05-15-2019, 01:42 PM.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by gismo recording View Post
            Reminds me of a keyboard part I played in a song my band did. I was using a tenor sax sample but I played it totally legato with no rests. When I listened back to the recording I realized that there's no way a sax player could play 16 bars straight without taking a breath.
            I remember hearing a cut from Steve Winwood's Arc of a Diver solo album in a mall somewhere. The music was off in the distance and I really believed I was hearing a saxophone.

            When I listen to it up close it sounds more like a Mini Moog...



            The phrasing and the choice of notes - especially the bit that starts around 3:26 - had a more profound impact than the actual sound of the waveform.



            Last edited by onelife; 05-15-2019, 02:06 PM.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

              There's nothing quite like playing a "tenor sax" solo on a Korg M-1, then having an actor with a saxello (curved soprano sax) mime being blind and mime one's playing in the music video


              Nice solo - the piano sounds like it could have been from the M1 also.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by onelife View Post


                Nice solo - the piano sounds like it could have been from the M1 also.
                Nope, the piano is the studio's yamaha grand. The bass is from the M1 though.
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                -- Joseph Brodsky

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                  Been said since the early 80s... and yet there is still an abundance of drummers
                  This is horrible news....
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by jorhay1 View Post

                    This is horrible news....
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                    -- Vaclav Havel

                    The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

                    -- Carl Sagan


                    Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

                    -- Joseph Brodsky

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by jorhay1 View Post

                      This is horrible news....
                      Cue the drummer jokes...
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                      "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                      - George Carlin

                      "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                      - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                      "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                      - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                        Cue the drummer jokes...
                        Did you hear about the drummer who locked his keys in the car?


                        Took him hours to get the bass player out.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post

                          Cue the drummer jokes...
                          Nah, lets just skip to paying him for the pizza
                          Keep the company of those who seek the truth, and run from those who have found it.

                          -- Vaclav Havel

                          The Universe is unimaginably vast. For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

                          -- Carl Sagan


                          Life - the way it really is - is a battle not between Bad and Good but between Bad and Worse.

                          -- Joseph Brodsky

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Red Ant View Post

                            Nah, lets just skip to paying him for the pizza
                            How can you tell the pizza delivery guy is an out of work drummer?

                            The knock on the door rushes / speeds up...

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                            "Look at it this way: think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of 'em are stupider than that."
                            - George Carlin

                            "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                            - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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