still waiting for updates !!

[techristian]

Windows 10 is worse than ever and I find myself wasting my life away waiting for updates. I hope that I don't end up like the guy in the picture !!

 

 

Dan

[1001gear]

Makes me feel a lot better about 7 anyway. Thx!

[Phil O'Keefe]

Windows 10 does a terrible job of scheduling updates... I've found it doing stuff a few times during the day when I've opened my 2 in 1 to try to do something. I thought I had it scheduled to do them in the middle of the night when the computer wasn't being used. And when you do open it up, it doesn't always give you a progress report about how far along it is or how long it's going to take. If I didn't have other systems to rely on, I don't think I'd want to use Win 10 exclusively - too much chance that when I need to use it RIGHT NOW, it might be otherwise preoccupied.

 

That's leaving out all the potential conflicts and issues I expect to arise out of their total control over upgrade installs. That just doesn't bode well for a music-related device.

[Dendy Jarrett]

Did you read Craig's Windows 10 Report Card?

 

http://www.harmonycentral.com/articles/windows-10-report-card-for-the-studio

 

D

[Mandolin Picker]

Some folks get lucky with Windows...

 

I am not one of them

[Anderton]

I've had great luck with Windows 10. There have only been two "looooooong" updates, which is a lot better than it was with Windows 7. However I am signed up with Microsoft's user feedback program, and said that I found the lack of a progress indicator problematic. I think we should know what's happening.

 

The performance with DAWs is snappier, multi-client MIDI is great, and the audio stack keeps improving. The way it handles apps is vastly superior to 8.1. Although any updates have potential to upset the house of cards called a computer operating system, I must say the Windows 10 upgrade was not as problematic as El Capitan. Overall, the only regret I have about upgrading to Windows 10 was not doing it sooner.

 

 

[Mandolin Picker]

I would agree that Windows 10 does a better job with my DAW. However, once I got set up, we unplugged it. Most updates that I need for Sonar or other software I can download through my Linux laptop. When I do need to put the DAW machine online I use a USB wifi connector. And it is only on long enough to do what must be done, then it is pulled.

 

Our laptop at church also has Windows 10, and it updates whenever it wants (although we have tried to restrict updates much like Phil has). To avoid embarrassment in the middle of a church service or production (nothing like having the computer hang during a video or power point presentation - always at the most inopportune time), we now take it 'offline' prior to any event.

[Phil O'Keefe]

Yes. I recommend it!

[Phil O'Keefe]

I would agree that Windows 10 does a better job with my DAW. However' date=' once I got set up, we unplugged it. Most updates that I need for Sonar or other software I can download through my Linux laptop. When I do need to put the DAW machine online I use a USB wifi connector. And it is only on long enough to do what must be done, then it is pulled.[/quote']

 

After years of having no outside connection whatsoever on my DAW, I switched over to a similar system on my latest PC build. I have a Wireless N USB wifi unit that I plug in and enable in Device Manager only when I need to download an update or some software I'm reviewing or whatever. The rest of the time, I leave it off, and I never use the machine for regular Internet surfing.

 

Our laptop at church also has Windows 10, and it updates whenever it wants (although we have tried to restrict updates much like Phil has). To avoid embarrassment in the middle of a church service or production (nothing like having the computer hang during a video or power point presentation - always at the most inopportune time), we now take it 'offline' prior to any event.

 

I've been thinking about doing something similar with the 2 in 1 tablet. I will almost certainly take it entirely offline if I ever start using it for serious work. I think that's currently my best option if I get the software and setup "just so" and want to avoid the possibility of an update messing everything up. For now, I'm not too worried about it - it's more of a learning and experimental platform. I didn't want to install Windows 10 on my main DAW yet, but I did want to try it and learn about it (and see what's out there in terms of apps for Windows tablets), and the 2 in 1 tablet lets me do that relatively inexpensively and risk-free.

 

 

[Etienne Rambert]

I have not DAW'd anything w/Windows 10. But since all my touch-screen control was lost as soon as W10 was installed on one of my hybrids, I decided to go back to 8.1.

 

Windows 10 is the last OS by Microsoft. After that it will be mandatory updates to Windows 10.

 

Think about that. I may buy a W10 computer in the distant future. But I'm closer to switching over to Mac for music than I have ever been. I find the idea of buying a product that will never be fully developed - troubling.

[techristian]

The updates are part 1 of the problem. What happens after the updates is another problem. Many times things that you switched OFF in settings will be turned back on and visa versa. It seems to want to go back to default settings which can be a real problem if you get an update every week. Now Microsoft is also asking me to get back in the Insider program with this new computer which would compound the problem, as MAJOR updates come every few weeks for "insiders"

 

Dan

[Anderton]

Windows 10 is the last OS by Microsoft. After that it will be mandatory updates to Windows 10.

 

Think about that. I may buy a W10 computer in the distant future. But I'm closer to switching over to Mac for music than I have ever been. I find the idea of buying a product that will never be fully developed - troubling.

 

Then don't buy a Mac either...Apple started doing free OS updates a few years ago, so now the only difference between Mac and Windows is how they market their OS. OS X will never be fully developed either; I'm sure something will come after El Capitan, and it will just go on and on and on...

 

If you think Mac updates aren't mandatory, try running newer browsers and such with older hardware running Snow Leopard or whatever. You could even argue that what Apple does is force hardware updates because once the software is unsupported, your only option is to get new hardware. My desktop dual Xeon will be forever frozen on Lion, and my PPC machines are doorstops. The minimum system requirement for Logic Pro X is OS X 10.9.5.

 

The biggest difference is with the Mac, the updates happen periodically with fanfare, as opposed to "you-never-know-when." So, you have plenty of advance warning about updating (think of NI's "don't upgrade to El Capitan yet" warnings to their customers) so you can choose to postpone an update, and/or freeze your system.

 

However, you can also do so with Windows. Open the Run command, type services.msc, and press enter. Open the Windows Update service and under the General tab, change the Startup Type to “disabled.” Then restart your computer. If you want to update at some point in the future, enable it.

 

Note that the Home version will update security patches regardless, but that’s a good thing. The above just applies to features.

 

 

[Anderton]

What happens after the updates is another problem. Many times things that you switched OFF in settings will be turned back on and visa versa.

 

I agree this is indeed an issue. It would be helpful if Microsoft published a list of which preferences get reset, although so far for me, the only one that's been annoying is re-enabling the "HD Audio Driver" installed by my graphics card.

 

[techristian]

The latest pain that this WIN 10 caused is this. Just 2 days ago , I set the power settings, "when plugged in, PC goes to sleep after 5 hours" . I had a big video rendering job with Sony Movie Studio. Approx ETA 5 hours. I went to bed when it was almost 70% done and woke up this morning with computer off (or sleeping) Hit the power button and rendering was only 80% done. Checked the power SETTINGS. IT WAS RESET . Now POWER SETTINGS said "when plugged in, PC goes to sleep after 10 MINUTES"

 

I'm not the first to report this at "Windows Feedback". This is an unacceptable problem for video / audio production use.

 

It seems to me that this also happened with Win 8 before. Video rendering is the slowest process that I know of and if WIN 10 can't handle it, maybe an Apple is better suited for the task ?

 

Dan

[blue2blue]

Windows 10 Tip: Schedule Windows Update Restarts

 

Brian Burgess | August 14, 2015 in How-To

Windows 10 will automatically download updates, and if a restart is required to install them, it will select a default time. However, when Windows decides it should restart, might not be a convenient time for you.

So here’s a look at how to make Windows 10 restart on your schedule.

 

Stop Automatic Windows Update Installs in Windows 10

 

If you prefer to have control over what your computer is doing, you’ll want to stop Windows from automatically installing updates. To do it, go to [...]

 

-- from this short,to-the-point how-to article, focusing on scheduling update restarts:

 

http://www.groovypost.com/howto/sche...ts-windows-10/

 

 

MORE: Long, more detailed article: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/manage-...te-windows-10/

[1001gear]

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/227491-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-nagware-windows-10-upgrade-notification-disrupts-weather-broadcast

[Phil O'Keefe]

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/227491-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-nagware-windows-10-upgrade-notification-disrupts-weather-broadcast

 

lol

 

 

[1001gear]

Win 7 manual updates.

 

After 15 minutes I have roughly 3 meg of 70 delivered.

[MrKnobs]

Windows 10 does a terrible job of scheduling updates... I've found it doing stuff a few times during the day when I've opened my 2 in 1 to try to do something. I thought I had it scheduled to do them in the middle of the night when the computer wasn't being used. .

 

Wow, they've managed to exactly simulate the actions of network admins in the workplace! Many times I was working on a proposal or deadline and suddenly my computer was bogged down as the university network admins pushed an update.

 

I called them and suggested maybe they should consider doing this late at night or on weekends. They replied that "You don't want an unattended update" and "we don't work evenings and weekends." I tried to point out to the guy that his salary and job indirectly depend on my ability to get millions of dollars in research grants for the Center, he didn't believe me.

 

After about a year of that I bought a router and connected it between my computer and the university internet. That was heaven for a few months until they came by in person to see why their push updates weren't getting to me. After that I had to switch over to using the Wifi at the sandwich shop next door, then later to using my own laptop when I didn't want their nose in my business.

 

I finally caught a lucky break when our assigned admin came to solemnly tell me that one of my employees had porn on his computer. She said it was her business to check for that. I tried the "so what, boys will be boys" thing but she wasn't having it.

 

She made me open the guy's office door to allow her access to his computer. After a few minutes, she said, "Oh my gosh, I've made a mistake. I get Doctor xxx and Doctor yyy (both Mexican nationals, post docs) confused! It's the other guy."

 

I told her "So you came to their supervisor and carelessly accused one of them of hosting porn? You couldn't distinguish between them because they're both Mexicans? Do you realize how serious that is? Do you realize what might happen to your job if I report this?"

 

After that I OWNED her and could do just about anything.

 

Then a couple of years later she married the deputy director of our Center.. and that's a whole 'nother story.

 

Terry D.

[MrKnobs]

OK back on the topic of Win 10.

 

I'm staying with Win 7 on my machines, reason being I have some very expensive legacy hardware and software that took me many hours to get working on Win 7 and probably won't have a work around on Win 10.

 

Problem is, Microsoft now employs malware techniques to push Win 10 on you. It's well documented that sometimes the update to 10 starts without your permission and there's no cancel button, only an option to revert to 7 or 8 AFTER you've been updated to 10. I, myself have allowed innocuous looking Windows updates with no mention of Win 10 in either the short description by the update or the longer description going to their website for that KB.

 

So I googled up some info, and discovered someone has written a very reliable program to stop that and remove any pre-cached preparation for the update along with all the nagware as well.

 

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/use-gwx-control-panel-stop-windows-10-upgrade-prompts (review of the program)

 

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ (program download: note there is a stand alone exe version).

 

Terry D.

 

 

[Phil O'Keefe]

 

Wow, they've managed to exactly simulate the actions of network admins in the workplace!

 

 

Baahahahahahaha!!! :philthumb:

 

 

 

[Phil O'Keefe]

OK back on the topic of Win 10.

 

I'm staying with Win 7 on my machines, reason being I have some very expensive legacy hardware and software that took me many hours to get working on Win 7 and probably won't have a work around on Win 10.

 

Problem is, Microsoft now employs malware techniques to push Win 10 on you. It's well documented that sometimes the update to 10 starts without your permission and there's no cancel button, only an option to revert to 7 or 8 AFTER you've been updated to 10. I, myself have allowed innocuous looking Windows updates with no mention of Win 10 in either the short description by the update or the longer description going to their website for that KB.

 

"Malware techniques" is really the only way to describe it, and it's really ticking off a lot of people. Not everyone wants Windows 10 on every machine they own. I too, have a legacy system that I do NOT want them messing with. For that matter, I don't want them doing things without my okay on ANY of my systems. It's too easy to run into conflicts that make a well-functioning system inoperable for the task you set it up and carefully tweaked it to perform.

 

So I googled up some info, and discovered someone has written a very reliable program to stop that and remove any pre-cached preparation for the update along with all the nagware as well.

 

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/use-gwx-control-panel-stop-windows-10-upgrade-prompts (review of the program)

 

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ (program download: note there is a stand alone exe version).

 

Terry D.

 

 

Thanks for posting the information and links to GWX Control Panel Terry. I had heard about it and was going to go look for it and install it this weekend. You saved me the trouble of the Google search.

[MrKnobs]

 

"Malware techniques" is really the only way to describe it, and it's really ticking off a lot of people. Not everyone wants Windows 10 on every machine they own. I too, have a legacy system that I do NOT want them messing with. For that matter, I don't want them doing things without my okay on ANY of my systems. It's too easy to run into conflicts that make a well-functioning system inoperable for the task you set it up and carefully tweaked it to perform.

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the information and links to GWX Control Panel Terry. I had heard about it and was going to go look for it and install it this weekend. You saved me the trouble of the Google search.

 

 

I forgot to mention that I downloaded the stand alone (.exe) version of GWX and it seems to work so far as I can tell. I didn't have any pre-cached Win10 stuff on my hard drive as I've been very careful about allowing windows updates.

 

Terry D.

[Phil O'Keefe]

Thanks for the report Terry!

[bookumdano4]

I love win 10, have never used sleep or hibernate with any os, and the win 10 updates haven't bothered or interrupted me. As I was reading this thread, I decided to click on settings where I saw that KB3163018 was waiting for my okay. Instead of waiting for a later time, I just clicked it now and download/install was done three minutes later with me clicking to do an immediate restart. And now, I'm back here reading.

 

My hardware driver preferences can not be overridden because I use wushowhide. All my "legacy" stuff works great. I haven't found anything that doesn't work. And that includes my 1995 version of MasterTracks Pro . I love navigating win10, have it set up much like I did win7, and I don't use Cortana.

 

I love the right click context power menu or whatever it's called.... and I love the little submenu work areas.... brilliant!

 

As to stories of sneaky, snarky, malicious, evil, forced installs of win 10 on unsuspecting bystanders...... yawn. Look at the bright side... in five weeks, no one will be invited or forced or tortured to update.

 

I had a couple of on/off switches reset a couple of times from upgrades... but that's been a long time ago. They all stay put now.

 

I'm fine with the way win10 is developing, the way it feels, and am confident MS is listening to user suggestions as things progress.

 

Such stress experienced by a few users........!

 

By the way, the Monterey Pop festival is in its second day..... I'd do anything to have my laptop and webcam here with me in the past.