Members Ed A. Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Not that there's anything wrong with that Clonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members roabre999 Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 To each his own. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Why would anyone care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members linwood Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 You're telling me he's Vulcan gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MorePaul Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Anderton Why would anyone care? I think for this kind of reason "The world has changed from when I was a young teen feeling ashamed for being gay," he said I mean, sexuality is a tough one for all people, it's a part of us as chemical beasties -- so for another person to be able to accept himself, be honest about who he is and leave behind shame...shame man, shame is a dark, dark thingI most certainly care about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 What I meant was why would anyone care that he was gay? What he wants to do with his body should be his own business. If he felt shame about it and coming out relieves that, fine. But I think the people who should feel shame are the ones who judge others based on their sexual orientation. I mean, is some homophobic Star Trek fan now going to say "I don't like Star Trek after all because Sulu is gay?" That would be pretty weird, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boosh Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Even as a little kid he dreamt of being an asstronaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members G Geezer Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 that's almost as big of a "non-event" as Cheryl Swopes (sp?) coming out. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members offramp Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 "To Boldly Go Where Some Men Have Gone Before". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TimOBrien Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Has anyone NOT known this since the '60s?? :rolleyes: File under "OBVIOUS" and "SO WHAT"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steadyb Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Anderton I mean, is some homophobic Star Trek fan now going to say "I don't like Star Trek after all because Sulu is gay?" That would be pretty weird, I think. Yeah, you'd think moving out of their mom's basement and finally kissing a girl (or boy) would be a higher priority than hatin' on Sulu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Anderton I mean, is some homophobic Star Trek fan now going to say "I don't like Star Trek after all because Sulu is gay?" That would be pretty weird, I think. I actually think that WOULD happen in a few sad cases. C'mon! He helmed the Enterprise NCC-1701! Who cares if he was gay! He drove the ship throughout its original five year mission, man! - Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steadyb Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Scotty definitely wasn't gay. Anyone who was at the Alesis NAMM party will attest to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blackpig Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 He boldly went where the hand of man had never set foot Now he's put his foot down with a firm hand Gives a whole new meaning to the term "captain's log" though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Brittanylips Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Anderton What I meant was why would anyone care that he was gay? Perhaps isolated gay people would feel less isolated by his public disclosure, and straight people who were on-the-edge homophobes and happen to like the guy might become less homophobic. You know, the "Ellen effect": a repected public figure comes out and the public becomes that much more OK with it, and perhaps a gay kid feels that much less isolated and shat upon. Ultimately, you're right that no one should care. Perhaps this is a step in that direction. -PL&B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 You know, I just realized that a few morons I know stopped liking the band Judas Priest after Rob Halford came out as gay, and I've heard stories of people who stopped listening to Queen after finding out Freddie was gay. What... the music just got worse? Or are they afraid that the gayness will rub off on them? I don't claim to understand people, really. - Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudolf von Hagenwil Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 quote: "inspire him to publicly discuss his sexuality" well some entertainment freaks expose anything privat for a buck, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MorePaul Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Originally posted by Anderton What I meant was why would anyone care that he was gay? What he wants to do with his body should be his own business. If he felt shame about it and coming out relieves that, fine. I guess that's my point - for myself, it's not so much "don't care" as it is the positive action "to accept" "don't care / anyone care" is a lack of caring...I care, I care to accept But I think the people who should feel shame are the ones who judge others based on their sexual orientation. I personally wsh no being shame as it is a darkness The sword of righteousness is a weapon and cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phaeton Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 I don't claim to understand people, really. foh scheezi. I remember the Judas Priest 'fiasco'- people burning their records and stuff, like in the 1960s and Beatles records. That type of thinking just creeps me out. About Sulu- No big deal, IMHO. True it's cool that he's comfortable about talking about it. Thumbs up for that. Really doubt that this will make any huge impact amongst the Legion of Trekkies. I mean, C'mon folks... the SciFi crowd digs movies and books and stuff that grant full human intelligence to dolphins, pit the protagonist against massless plasma beings and very matter-of-factly present a universe quite full of bizarre other life forms as grotesque or beautiful as the imagination could grasp. If Sulu thought Kirk was hawt it's pretty small potatoes in their world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 You know, the "Ellen effect": a repected public figure comes out and the public becomes that much more OK with it, and perhaps a gay kid feels that much less isolated and shat upon. Ultimately, you're right that no one should care. Perhaps this is a step in that direction.>> Well said, good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members UstadKhanAli Posted October 28, 2005 Members Share Posted October 28, 2005 Re: The Ellen Effect That is a good point. I caught a bit of an AM radio sports show where people were discussing the WNBA player who had come out. And their reaction was 1.) who cares (sort of in the sense that Craig said), and 2.) that this might pave the way for other current pro athletes to also come out, paving the way for more acceptance ("The WNBA player made it easier for me to decide to come out myself" or that kind of thing). The reaction here at work was sort of a shrug of the shoulders - and I work at a fairly conservative place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Geoff Grace Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 I agree that, in a more evolved world, it should be a non-issue. However, as long as there is active resistance to the rights of any group, I'm glad to see active support - in this case, the moral support of a role model's burgeoning self-acceptance. Originally posted at CNN.com: Takei, a Japanese-American who lived in a U.S. internment camp from age 4 to 8, said he grew up feeling ashamed of his ethnicity and sexuality. He likened prejudice against gays to racial segregation. I sure do look forward to the day when we're all just people, when differences in sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. are simply accepted the way we now accept differences in hair color - kind of like the future imagined in Star Trek! ("He's black on the LEFT side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members steadyb Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Originally posted by Geoff Grace I sure do look forward to the day when we're all just people, when differences in sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. are simply accepted the way we now accept differences in hair color. Yeah, except for people with red hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members monstermaker Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 He's still a great navigator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deanmass Posted October 29, 2005 Members Share Posted October 29, 2005 Come on...he is the only Enterprise bridge officer to ever wear a CAPE in a Star Trek movie. Sulu is cool..always has been. If it made him feel better, good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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