Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 I see it being done all the time... Jon Stewart uses soundbytes of Administration officials quotes, so do Letterman and Leno... So, for the purpose of political parody or humor, can I legally construct a piece of music using quotes from Bush or Cheney, or other very funny politicians? Does anybody know the law on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 You can get screwed in two ways*. 1. If it's not easily recognized as parody, you can face action from the person who was speaking the recorded statement. 2. If the broadcast itself from which you took the sound byte was copyrighted and you have no permission to re-use it, you are violating laws there too. So, use it at your own risk. *I am not a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 I did a satirical piece once that used sound bytes from a presidential debate. If I was at the debate itself and recorded it, there would not have been a problem. But because I recorded it from a network, the network owned copyright on the broadcast, and that's what I was recording. I was told I could get into trouble for this, but i the immortal words of the Weasel himself, "I am not a lawyer" (and proud of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Thanks guys...Here's one thing though... If a thousand radio stations, TV networks, ect broadcast the same soundbyte... How are they going to know where you got it from??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jeff da Weasel Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Thanks guys... Here's one thing though... If a thousand radio stations, TV networks, ect broadcast the same soundbyte... How are they going to know where you got it from??? You can't ask a "Can I get in trouble?" question and follow it with "I'll never get caught anyway." The answer, BTW, is that all of those stations pay licensing fees to the original owner of the footage. It doesn't matter where you get it; it matters where it came from. If that's recognized and led back to you... well, you know the rest. P.S. I'm still not a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 I did a satirical piece once that used sound bytes from a presidential debate. If I was at the debate itself and recorded it, there would not have been a problem. But because I recorded it from a network, the network owned copyright on the broadcast, and that's what I was recording. I was told I could get into trouble for this, but i the immortal words of the Weasel himself, "I am not a lawyer" (and proud of it). This is my understanding as well. I know for a fact that statements made by public officials serving in their official capacity are not subject to copyright. However, the broadcaster owns rights to their broadcast. Think of the disclaimer during sporting events - "The accounts and descriptions of :blah:" Furthermore, politicians speaking outside of official duties (such as election campaigning) may well be using copyright speeches. Why not go straight to the source and use the Prezdet's weekly radio address? Free, downloadable, in his official capacity, archived by date. You can even find one where he says New Orleans is doing just great in the weeks after Katrina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 i believe statements made, and all recordings done by the governement are of fair use to the public. i know all those infamous NASA recordings are copyright free... i assume so are the Nixon tapes, and so on. im pretty sure you could use them, especially Bu$h because there is no other reason than explicit satire to use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 You can't ask a "Can I get in trouble?" question and follow it with "I'll never get caught anyway." OK... That's fair... Does anyone have experience licensing soundbytes from the source? 1. Is it hard? 2. Does it take forever? 3. Is it expensive Also... I have been recording Citizens Band radio for some time... Is this stuff public domain and usable to your knowledge??? There is some great stuff out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 also, i believe it extends to images as well taken by the government and part of the FOIA. so all those hubble images etc, i saw this sick hemispherical projection done planetarium style of the known universe of which the information was obtained freely, but knowing what to do with the information to project it was costly. anyway, it was the coolest thing to see where everything [known] was in the universe, including voyagers current location, our broadcast sphere perimeter, and all kinds of other things they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hard Truth Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Another non-lawyer here. Fair Use may apply in this situation. Unfortunately with fair use, you may have to go to court and spend thousand of dollars to prove your case. Remember in the USA you are guilty until proven innocent. Fair use can apply if:You use a small portion of the original workThe copyrighted material you use is a small part of your entire pieceThe copyright owner did not suffer an economic lossYou used the material for educational, commentary, review or news purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Why not go straight to the source and use the Prezdet's weekly radio address? Free, downloadable, in his official capacity, archived by date. You can even find one where he says New Orleans is doing just great in the weeks after Katrina Thanks Billster... This a great suggestion... And one I will definitely look into to... If anyone else has experience with this... Please let me know... Everybody is making some great observations and suggestions here... Keep em coming... And Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Billster comes through again! Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 3.0 U.S. GOVERNMENT WORKS 3.1 Government Works 3.1.1 What is a U.S. Government work? A "work of the United States Government," referred to in this document as a U.S. Government work, is a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person's official duties. (See 17 USC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 3.0 U.S. GOVERNMENT WORKS3.1 Government Works3.1.1 What is a U.S. Government work? http://www.cendi.gov/publications/04-8copyright.html#312 Wow Alphajerk... You sure are a fast typest... Thanks for the reply... I'l read this one carefully... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 if i only had the ability to type this fast back when i was in school pre-internet, i would have had all my term papers in the day after they were assigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 I don't have an opinion (or at least one that hasn't been covered) but I just wanted to go on record to say that: I, too, am not a lawyer. Though I was once mistaken for one in a record contract negotiation. Actual label guy-to-artist quote (in a subsequent telcon): "Let's meet again -- but this time don't bring your lawyer." I walked around feeling like Perry Mason and Paul Drake all rolled into one for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nat whilk II Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 In my area of expertise, I have to interpret and apply law all the time, 'tho not a lawyer per se. But my experience makes it clear that simply quoting one piece of law, without regard for the wider context of court interpretations, related and/or overriding statutes, current attorney tactics, regulator interpretations, and, most importantly, all of the relevant details of one person's particular situation and how those details relate to this wider context is....(drum roll...) famous last words of many a hapless screwee. nat whilk ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunsinger Posted October 23, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 simply quoting one piece of law, without regard for the wider context of court interpretations, related and/or overriding statutes, current attorney tactics, regulator interpretations, and, most importantly, all of the relevant details of one person's particular situation and how those details relate to this wider context is....(drum roll...) Wow!!!Taking that into consideration, how does one cross the street without considering the wider interpretions of all laws on the books, current attorney tactics, etc.etc.etc??? I think that I'll have my microsurgical vasectomy reversal now... please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Wow!!! Taking that into consideration, how does one cross the street without considering the wider interpretions of all laws on the books, current attorney tactics, etc.etc.etc??? Cross the street at your own risk. Don't say you weren't warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amplayer Posted October 23, 2007 Members Share Posted October 23, 2007 Here's my $.02: If you make money on the work that uses anything else other than things you created yourself, you are in danger of being sued for the proceeds. Even if the suit has no merit (i.e, frivilous), if you don't have the resources to defend yourself, then you're better off not using the material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members joel Oporto Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 well, cross the street at your own risk because ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zooey Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Fair use can apply if:You use a small portion of the original workThe copyrighted material you use is a small part of your entire piece There's a decision that states there is no de minimis fair use defense for sound recordings. That's the Bridgeport v Dimension Films decision out of the 6th Circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members nat whilk II Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Cross the street at your own risk. Don't say you weren't warned. Or find an attorney who knows his/her stuff in the relevant law. If it's really that important to you. nat whilk ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 It is actually funnier to create your own "news" program. You can even say whatever story you want, the way you want it. Compose your own music and FX... it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphajerk Posted October 24, 2007 Members Share Posted October 24, 2007 Or find an attorney who knows his/her stuff in the relevant law. If it's really that important to you.nat whilk ii a bit of diggin on your own will reveal a LOT, no attorney fees needed. its called educating yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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