Members ggm1960 Posted October 26, 2008 Members Share Posted October 26, 2008 I've recently started to learn DP5.13. I've been reading the manual which keeps mentioning chunks, sequences, songs and of course projects although I'm not yet seeing the correlation between them. Is there a hierarchy here, say like projects/songs/sequences/chucks?I'm trying to figure out how I might best organize a set list of songs for gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I was afraid this might not be one of those simple questions. I suppose it leaves people wondering where they'd even begin to address my naive'ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members veracohr Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I've used DP for a while, and I don't get the whole chunks thing either. I suggest asking at http://www.motunation.com I'm sure lots of people there could answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 I've used DP for a while, and I don't get the whole chunks thing either. I suggest asking at http://www.motunation.comI'm sure lots of people there could answer your question. Yeah, I see that's the old unicornation site, I'd kind of forgot about them. I used to go there asking questions about the midi interfaces but it turned out that no one was using the modifier, midi canon and patch features of the MTP II and MTP AV like I was, in fact, on the entire internet I only ever came across about three people that actually used those features. I'll bet they know a lot more about Digital Performer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amplayer Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 Chunks are basically a whole separate sequence, with the added advantage that they can use all the assets in your original sequence.The way you use them is this. Suppose you are creating a big project that uses lots of software instruments and effects. Then, you decide you'd like to make some changes, but you don't want to lose what you already have. Well, one way to do it is to copy the whole project to a new folder and then work on the new one. In DP, what you can do instead is create a new "chunk". This allows you to keep everything you had, but stay in the same project. Then, you can easily switch back and forth between them. If you are smart and put most of your software instruments in the Virtual Mixer, there will still only be one copy of those. You will need to look in the DP manual to see how to do it, but it isn't that hard. By the way, I also use Logic and Live in addition to DP. For really large projects that use lots of virtual instruments, DP works the best IMHO. Two reasons are the chunks feature, and also the excellent track folders and colors feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Billster Posted October 27, 2008 Members Share Posted October 27, 2008 Another use of "chinks" is as an arranging tool, where you can set up each chunk to be a section of a song and then move them around to experiment with different song forms: AABA, ABBA, ABAB, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 DP is very unassuming. I`ve had it for 8 years and beyond basic audio editing, I know theres another beast underneath but I have had no use for it. Someone mentioned motunation... I would go there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Extreme Mixing Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 Chunks come in very handy for film composers, because you can very quickly switch from cue to cue without having to take the time to reload the samplers. For recording songs they probably don't get used often. I suppose the order of importance would be Project, song, sequence, chunk. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 Some very informative information, thanks! Are any of you rewiring Reason, or is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anderton Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 I've rewired Reason into DP, don't recall any problems with doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amplayer Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 Some very informative information, thanks!Are any of you rewiring Reason, or is that possible? No problem rewiring Reason into DP. It works great. It works best if you have multiple CPUs to handle the load though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 Are any of you rewiring Reason, or is that possible? I do it all the time. Its great. Just make an "Aux" Track and assign the DP input to the REASON Stereo Output. Once you press stop or play in either program, the other program will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 While I'm getting some good feedback let me ask if anyone is using DP in live performances? I'm wondering if the best way to set it up would be to create a project called "MyBand" and then fill the project with songs/sequences of the songs in the set list. Several years ago when I'd tried using Sonar live it became a hassle real quick because each sequence had to be loaded between songs which of course requires several mouse clicks and/or key strokes. For some reason I get the impression it may be easier to cue up the next song in DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ernest Buckley Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have never used a computer live, let alone DP but it can be done. I have read many interviews of music directors for world tours like Madonna who use DP for live work so I`m sure whatever you throw at it, it can handle. Of course there is Abletons LIVE to consider. I have it and honestly, I just cannot wrap my head around the UI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Extreme Mixing Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 While I'm getting some good feedback let me ask if anyone is using DP in live performances?I'm wondering if the best way to set it up would be to create a project called "MyBand" and then fill the project with songs/sequences of the songs in the set list.in DP. This would be perfect for using the Chunks menu to switch from song to song. It's really fast, since all that has to be loaded are the midi notes, and maybe a little audio. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amplayer Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 While I'm getting some good feedback let me ask if anyone is using DP in live performances?I'm wondering if the best way to set it up would be to create a project called "MyBand" and then fill the project with songs/sequences of the songs in the set list.Several years ago when I'd tried using Sonar live it became a hassle real quick because each sequence had to be loaded between songs which of course requires several mouse clicks and/or key strokes.For some reason I get the impression it may be easier to cue up the next song in DP. I've never used DP live, and I don't think I would. It is too big and bloated for live use IMHO. Plus, sometimes it crashes. If you want something primarily for live use, I'd suggest either Live or Mainstage. I have both, and I mostly wouldn't be afraid to use either one in a live setting. Then again, in case of crashes or malfunction, I'd have some kind of backup ready.To tell you the truth, if you're a keyboarist, I think Reason make make an even better choice for a live setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members veracohr Posted October 28, 2008 Members Share Posted October 28, 2008 Some very informative information, thanks!Are any of you rewiring Reason, or is that possible? Yes. That's par for my course. I have heard of people using DP live, but I personally wouldn't feel easy doing so. Maybe if you were just letting a sequence play, but if you were doing a lot of movement and work in DP (playing it like you would play Ableton Live), you might run into problems. I don't think it's always the most stable (especially version 6, according to many people at MOTUnation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ggm1960 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 29, 2008 I've never used DP live, and I don't think I would. It is too big and bloated for live use IMHO. Plus, sometimes it crashes.To tell you the truth, if you're a keyboarist, I think Reason make make an even better choice for a live setting. I've noticed a little weirdness in my short time working with it.I'm involved in two projects right now and the one where I'm not the "main man" I believe I am going to be able to just use Reason which, like you say, is a great option and very stable in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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