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    Played a show last night. As it was the day after Valentine's Day, I broke out my Daisy Rock Heartbreaker bass. Short scale (30"), single split P-type pickup. Easy to play. Neck is both fairly thin and narrow. Flat wound strings. Sounded good, as P-type bass should. Audience liked it. One dotty old woman asked me if I'd made it myself. Poor old thing is losing it.

    One thing I learned - should have known, but it never occurred to me before - is that the Heartbreaker has two more frets than my usual Rickenbackers. We were playing "Bad Case of Loving You". Second verse, I went up to the highest fret marker for that little dee-doo thing, and I was a whole step too high! Sounded bad, and a few people laughed at me, but that's okay. Fixed it in the third verse.

    Tomorrow, we play the Sweethearts Ball. I'll bring the Heartbreaker and the Blackheart as well. The Blackheart has roundwound strings, so they won't sound exactly the same.

    The Heartbreaker:


    The Blackheart:
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  • #2
    You've got a bass for every occasion, don't you? I'll bet you have a green one for St. Pat's, and an orange and black one for Halloween, and a red and white striped one for Christmas, etc. Must be nice.
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    • #3
      How is the balance on those when they're hanging from a strap?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeepEnd View Post
        You've got a bass for every occasion, don't you? I'll bet you have a green one for St. Pat's, and an orange and black one for Halloween, and a red and white striped one for Christmas, etc. Must be nice.
        Not quite that many, but I do have quite a few. Way too many, according to my wife!

        I have a green one. It's a Rickenbacker 4004Cii, and it's my main bass with one of the bands I play in. No orange and black, no red and white stripes. For Christmas, I go with the red Ibanez and the green Ric!
        "The Web puts all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips; unfortunately it's mixed with all of the world's bull****************."
        -- Bob Parks

        "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
        -- Oscar Wilde

        "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
        -- Oscar Wilde

        "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
        -- Theodore White

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
          How is the balance on those when they're hanging from a strap?
          Not nearly as good as you might expect. They are short scale, so there's not as much neck, and the headstock is small, but there's still a fair amount of neck dive. A leather strap would probably have helped.
          "The Web puts all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips; unfortunately it's mixed with all of the world's bull****************."
          -- Bob Parks

          "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
          -- Oscar Wilde

          "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
          -- Oscar Wilde

          "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
          -- Theodore White

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          • #6
            There's probably a lot of leverage from the neck, especially with the body being so short and the strap button so far "behind" the bulk of the neck.

            Are they pretty light in weight?
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            - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

            "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by isaac42 View Post
              Not quite that many, but I do have quite a few. Way too many, according to my wife!

              I have a green one. It's a Rickenbacker 4004Cii, and it's my main bass with one of the bands I play in. No orange and black, no red and white stripes. For Christmas, I go with the red Ibanez and the green Ric!
              Tell your wife I said you need a Halloween bass. At least a black one with an orange strap (or maybe orange with a black strap).
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              • #8

                Time to call Henry and get yourself a real short scale bass guitar.

                Close enough.

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                I actually have one of these, but it's an older one with no powered preamp in the pick up. I have a coupe of preamps that make it shine.




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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe View Post
                  There's probably a lot of leverage from the neck, especially with the body being so short and the strap button so far "behind" the bulk of the neck.

                  Are they pretty light in weight?
                  Yes, quite light.

                  The lack of an upper horn increases the leverage, as you say, and contributes to to the neck dive. In addition, it shifts the bass to the left when hanging from the strap. For me, that makes them less comfortable to play than I'd like.
                  "The Web puts all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips; unfortunately it's mixed with all of the world's bull****************."
                  -- Bob Parks

                  "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
                  -- Oscar Wilde

                  "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
                  -- Oscar Wilde

                  "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
                  -- Theodore White

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeepEnd View Post
                    Tell your wife I said you need a Halloween bass. At least a black one with an orange strap (or maybe orange with a black strap).
                    I could get an orange strap for the Blackheart...
                    "The Web puts all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips; unfortunately it's mixed with all of the world's bull****************."
                    -- Bob Parks

                    "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
                    -- Oscar Wilde

                    "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
                    -- Oscar Wilde

                    "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
                    -- Theodore White

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mikeo View Post

                      Time to call Henry and get yourself a real short scale bass guitar.

                      Close enough.

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                      I've tried one once or twice. Didn't care for them. Extreme neck dive, and there's a reason they call that neck picup a mudbucker.

                      And who's Henry?
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                      -- Bob Parks

                      "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
                      -- Oscar Wilde

                      "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
                      -- Oscar Wilde

                      "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
                      -- Theodore White

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by isaac42 View Post
                        I could get an orange strap for the Blackheart...
                        There ya go. And even cheaper than I figured since you're finding a new purpose for an existing bass.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by isaac42 View Post

                          Yes, quite light.

                          The lack of an upper horn increases the leverage, as you say, and contributes to to the neck dive. In addition, it shifts the bass to the left when hanging from the strap. For me, that makes them less comfortable to play than I'd like.
                          That's the thing about less conventional shapes - they may be "fun" but they're usually not the most comfortable instruments ergonomically.

                          I'm old and grumpy enough now that I expect fun AND comfort!
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                          - George Carlin

                          "It shouldn't be expected that people are necessarily doing what they appear to be doing on records."
                          - Sir George Martin, All You Need Is Ears

                          "The music business will be revitalized by musicians, not the labels or Live Nation. When the musicians decide to put music first, instead of money, the public will flock to the fruits and the scene will be healthy again."
                          - Bob Lefsetz, The Lefsetz Letter

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by isaac42 View Post

                            Not nearly as good as you might expect. They are short scale, so there's not as much neck, and the headstock is small, but there's still a fair amount of neck dive. A leather strap would probably have helped.
                            Obviously you've forgotten the official HCBF fix for this. Does "Dead Cat Balancer" even ring a bell in the fuzzy noggin of your's?
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                            • #15
                              Nope. Frayed knot.
                              "The Web puts all of the world's knowledge at our fingertips; unfortunately it's mixed with all of the world's bull****************."
                              -- Bob Parks

                              "A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it."
                              -- Oscar Wilde

                              "No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
                              -- Oscar Wilde

                              "It is a trap of history to believe that eyewitnesses remember accurately what they have lived through."
                              -- Theodore White

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