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Marilion
Posts: 3
Registered: ‎02-16-2007

Buying a new guitar

Hi,

I'm a new member in the forum, so i hope to be posting in the right place.

I have searched everything on the net, and i established a few prices.
Now i decided to see on local shops. Well, it's obvious the prices are higher, but i don't have to pay for the delivery or other kind of taxes.

Ok, so i entered in a shop and there was a Squier Standard Stratocaster for about 330€. Then there was a Fender Frontman 65 DSP amplifier for about 340. That's almost 700€. That's ok for me.

Then i went to another shop. The guy in there told me to try the PRS SE EG wich he said was better than even the Mexican Stratocaster. He said he could sell that guitar for less than 600€. For the amplifier he advised me a Line 6 spider III 30. The total of both equipments is 780€.

As you can see that's a big difference ( 80€ )!!

He also said the Mexican Strat is less expensive than the PRS. So i presume for about 700€. I can get a Mexican Strat and a Line 6 Spider III 30.

The amplifier doesnt seem to be as good as the Frontman 65 DSP. It has less Watts and besides that the difference in price is too big. I don't think aprox 130€ in difference refers only to the Watts.


So what do you think? What is the best mix?


- PRS SE EG + Line 6 Spider III 30 = 780€

- Mexican Fender Stratocaster + Line 6 Spider III 30 = aprox 720€

- Squier Strandard Stratocaster + Fender Frontman 65 DSP = 680 €



I am gonna be honest... 780 € is a lot for me. I will only spend that if it's trully worth it and if it's clearly the better option.
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rokn4jc
Posts: 407
Registered: ‎05-11-2005

Re: Buying a new guitar

What kind of music do you play ?

I personally am not a real big fan of the line6 amps, but others might disagree. I would rather one or two good tones, as opposed to a bunch of mediocre ones. For similar money look at some of the smaller tube combos. The EPI valve jr is a really good little tube amp as is the crate palomino series. Something around 15 W would be plenty loud enough. Then you can add a good OD pedal and you are set.
The PRS SE are pretty good for the $, but I also think you can get a good mexi strat as well. If you upgrade the pickups they are good little players.
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Marilion
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Registered: ‎02-16-2007

Re: Buying a new guitar

I like to play Pink Floyd, U2, Stone Roses, The Smiths...

Well i wouldn't like to buy Tube amps because they are more expenssive and have less Watts. Yes they have better sound, but i don't need something too fancy.

I really like the Frontman 65 DSP. They are loud and eventually i can play with it with a drummer or even in concerts. But in order to buy it i have to cut my budget on the guitar.

I'm really interested in buying the Squier. What do you think of them?
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Wide
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Registered: ‎09-07-2004

Re: Buying a new guitar

I'm really interested in buying the Squier. What do you think of them?


Squiers seem to work well for Steve Rothery :rawk:
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Marilion
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Registered: ‎02-16-2007

Re: Buying a new guitar

ehhehe.

I like Marillion. They have good songs.

Anyway,


Do you consider Epiphone Les Paul Studio better than the Squier Standard Stratocaster?
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Wide
Posts: 3,823
Registered: ‎09-07-2004

Re: Buying a new guitar

Do you consider Epiphone Les Paul Studio better than the Squier Standard Stratocaster?


They are both good. It just comes down to what feels better in your hands, which tone you favor, and your budget.

I like Les Pauls because I have been playing them for 20 years.
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JHX
Posts: 99
Registered: ‎09-11-2006

Guitar Amp

First off a tube amp is always louder at lower watt's.Then solid state. The amps recomended EPI Valve Junior 5 watts, and the Crate. Will give you real guitar tone. however the Crate power block 120 Watts mono 75 per chanel stereo can be used with headphone's for pratice sounds great for a none valve Amp for $99.00 US is great buy.Need's a cab. So doe's the EPI. Then use more money on a really good guitar. Would take the PRS over a squire strat and I'm Strat Man. Better quailty.I would go on Ebay or the such and find a Mex Strat or Used PRS the korean one's , and go with that. Same with amp or guitar buy used. I do and I play Pro. good luck and keep the music alive!! This is just my Humble Opinion.Also find someone in the know and ask them for help.Just don't waste your money ,on junk.PS Also the Korg PX4 make s an ideal practice tool. I use mine daily I can get realy cool cranked sound with headphones and no one is disturbed. Look one up. Work's well with stompboxes also. Hope this help's.Thanks Rob.
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Re: Buying a new guitar

I wanna get the MK Patriot Custom
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MudFlaps-1
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Registered: ‎12-13-2000

Re: Buying a new guitar

First off, play every electric guitar you can get your hands on. There are a lot of good ones out there, and a few crappy ones. Don't worry so much about brand. Even within one brand and model, you can find good ones and not-so-good ones. Have the store do a setup on the one that really interests you, if they didn't already set it up before hanging it up for sale.

Generally speaking, the PRS SE series are better guitars than Squiers: they cost more for a reason. But, a Squier is a better strat than an SE because, well, it is a strat. Again, generally speaking, the Squiers are Fenders low end (Squier Affinity being the lowest, don't get one), the Mexican made ones are the middle ground, the USA made ones are the top production guitars, and then of course there's the Custom Shop, but there's no need to go on about those guitars in this thread. Epiphones are good too, it's a feel and playability and sound thing: personal preference.

I usually recommend a first guitar have the humbucker - single coil - single coil pickup arrangement, purely for versatility reasons, especially for those who like a wide range of music and are not quite sure what they are going after in sound yet.

Yamaha Pacificas are great first time guitars. Godin guitars are unreal for the price. The Peavey Raptors ain't that bad either, for the price. not great, but not bad considering their price. There are some good copy brands out there. Vintage comes to mind. Some Jay Tursers are pretty decent. I could go on and on about my feelings for different brands, but go back to my first point - play as many as you can.

Tube vs. solid state - tube watts are louder than solid-state watts. you simply cannot compare. My 15 watt tube amp is way louder than my old 50 watt solid-state Peavey Bandit was. A good tube amp should last your whole life. But solid-state does have it's advantages too, less hassle (tube changes), will serve you well for a long time. Budget seems to be a big issue, so myself I'd probably get a full-featured solid-state amp over something like a Epiphone Valve Junior, but either way whatever is best for you. The Fender you mention I'm sure is a good one. There is also the Marshall MG series (and higher priced AVT series), Peavey Transtube, Crates, Laney, Ibanez ToneBlaster. Play as many as you can. Do you need a headphone output for quiet practice? A line-in for a CD player or iPod is very handy for learning tunes and practicing. Certain desired features will lead toward certain amps (like, most tube amps do not have headphone jacks and line-inputs, a lot of solid-state amps do). For inexpensive tube amps the new Peavey ValveKing range are made in China.

I'd try and compare the Spider and Frontman side-by-side. But you probably can't do that if they are across town in different shops. So you should spend a good deal of time with each and get a feel for what sounds better. Not many people are sold on digital modelling amps for live use. For practice and at home, sure, but a common complaint is that digital modelling amps get lost in a live setting. But it sounds like you are not even close to that, so that becomes less if a consideration.

New vs. used - I'd try and buy used. You just simply get more for your money. More guitar and more amp. Sometimes a used Mexican strat can be found for what a Squier costs brand new. Also, certain brands are good guitars, just not as popular, so can be a good deal used. Used Peavey solid-state amps are plentiful so can be had for very decent prices.

Have fun on the quest and have fun playing.
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rokn4jc
Posts: 407
Registered: ‎05-11-2005

Re: Buying a new guitar

I can assure you a 15W tube amp is plenty loud enough for most situations. You can play reasonable sized venues as long as you mic them up which is better anyhow. Tube amps like to be pushed, that is where the signature "tube sound" comes from.
I bought a crate palomino 15 for the church where I play, and it is plenty loud enough to hang with drums, bass etc. I seldom turn master volume above 5. I set it for a slightly od sound, turn down guitar volume to clean up and hit it with an OD pedal for more gain as needed. Simple, effective, and sounds very good.
As far as simple goes, it is harder to get much simpler than gain, volume, eq and reverb.

here is my recomendation for a very good Bang/$ setup

Peavey Classic 30 (my main amp for about 12 years) used ~ $300
Used mexi strat (fat strat would be even better) - $ 250 - $300
Spend a few $ to upgrade the pickups (GFS sells some pretty decent inexpensive pickups)
Used OD pedal - 30$ I like the Bad Monkey, or Boss OD-3 for budget od pedals.

You can cover a lot of ground with this setup.
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Re: Buying a new guitar

Comparing tube and solid state amps is like comparing apples and oranges. Just because a ss amp has more watts means next to nothing. Tubes put out way more volume per watt.

If you want a practice amp get a solid state one - like a Fender G-Dec with a built in drums and bass and a headphone jack. If you want to sound your best and want to live your life to it's fullest save up and buy a good tube amp. Forget about all those fancy programmed effects - they pale in comparison to a driven tube amp.
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