The Political Party

[madryan]

I'm sitting here watching Bambi with my kid.

Talking animals and hunters who are total billy-bobs that shoot anything that moves.  No wonder the bulk of people who have never been in an actual forest with actual animals think that's what hunters are like.  

Seriously...

I'm thinking of pulling a tag for Elk this year for the first time in a decade simply because I need the meat.  You can't get lean healthy meat anymore that's not full of hormones or antibiotics without paying a fortune.  I can bag an elk and get enough lean, healthy mean for a whole year with the way I eat.

So those of you who watched Bambi as a kid...  It's not like that.  Hunters don't go through the woods indescriminately killing everything that moves.  They don't use dogs and burn down the forest.  They don't fire over and over like the billy-bob in the movie.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled program of peeing down your legs at pictures of scary guns.

[yumpy]

i love me some elk! 

[coyote-1]

Apparently you've not watched Hank Parker 3D.

They "tagged out" on whitetail in one morning, so they went back to the truck and got their shotguns. And proceeded to obliterate as many flying creatures as possible, letting out a huge "HAW HAW HAW THAT WAS AWESOME" after each bird sent spiraling to its death.

So yes, hunters do go killing everything they possibly can.... and laughing with joy at the slaughter. It is like that, despite your lying efforts to pretend otherwise. It's right there on the tube, for all to see.

[chuckgp]

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coyote-1 wrote:
Apparently you've not watched Hank Parker 3D.

They "tagged out" on whitetail in one morning, so they went back to the truck and got their shotguns. And proceeded to obligate as many flying creatures as possible, letting out a huge "HAW HAW HAW THAT WAS AWESOME" after each bird sent spiraling to its death.

So yes, hunters do go killing everything they possibly can.... and laughing with joy at the slaughter. It is like that, despite your lying efforts to pretend otherwise. It's right there on the tube, for all to see.

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if these dumbasses were killing migratory birds, which is almost all species, they're guilty of a crime.

[coyote-1]

Actually, they were in all likelihood killing birds that had been raised in cages and released for the first time just a half hour earlier.

[chuckgp]

well I guess we've got to kill something.

[kav]

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chuckgp wrote:

well I guess we've got to kill something.

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"I love animals. That's why I kill them!"

[madryan]

How the bloody hell do you quote someone's post in this f'd up new format?

For what it's worth I've never watched any of those pro hunter shows except for a few that were shot over where my family hunts here on the Oregon coast.  I watched them for the lulz because the terrain is so brutal and the brush is so thick that our local guides love to take these "Pro" hunters out and just run them ragged up and down the hills and through the brush patches and make them actually work for their kills.  

You don't use tree stands out here, you don't sit and watch a clearcut for your trophy to show up.  You go out into the woods and you track them.  We've got mountains out here that the folks east of the Rockies don't even know how to deal with.

[newbie chick]

The quote function is on the top right about the message box, beside the completely useless spellcheck.  When you quote someone you will often have to clear out the previous quotes, so other will know who you are replying to.

Can I buy some of your elk sausage? I'm not a hunter but I love wild game meats.   

[normh]

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madryan wrote:

You don't use tree stands out here, you don't sit and watch a clearcut for your trophy to show up.  You go out into the woods and you track them.  We've got mountains out here that the folks east of the Rockies don't even know how to deal with.

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Why, we have mountains here in Utah so steep that the mountain goats use helicopters to climb them.

Many people that have not seen a true mountain cannot fanthom a mountain so high, or so steep that as you sit in your car on the road in the valley between two peaks and you try to look at the top of one of them, you fall over into the seat.  Say Kings Peak (elev. 13,527).  There are several that are higher in Colorado.

[madryan]

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newbie chick wrote:

The quote function is on the top right about the message box, beside the completely useless spellcheck.  When you quote someone you will often have to clear out the previous quotes, so other will know who you are replying to.

Can I buy some of your elk sausage? I'm not a hunter but I love wild game meats.   

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Ahh...  Thanks a bunch...

If I get one I'll give you some.  My mom's the one who's pushing me to go hunting.  Her and my aunt said they'd cut the bloody thing up if I'd shoot it and pack it out.  I don't mind shooting them but I hate the butchering.  

[newbie chick]

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madryan wrote:

Ahh...  Thanks a bunch...

If I get one I'll give you some.  My mom's the one who's pushing me to go hunting.  Her and my aunt said they'd cut the bloody thing up if I'd shoot it and pack it out.  I don't mind shooting them but I hate the butchering.  

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I learned how to break down beef, pork and whole chickens when i worked in restaurants so I would help cut it up as long as I don't have to see the head or gut it.  I even know how to make sausage and jerky.

[madryan]

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normh wrote:

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madryan wrote:

You don't use tree stands out here, you don't sit and watch a clearcut for your trophy to show up.  You go out into the woods and you track them.  We've got mountains out here that the folks east of the Rockies don't even know how to deal with.

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Why, we have mountains here in Utah so steep that the mountain goats use helicopters to climb them.

Many people that have not seen a true mountain cannot fanthom a mountain so high, or so steep that as you sit in your car on the road in the valley between two peaks and you try to look at the top of one of them, you fall over into the seat.  Say Kings Peak (elev. 13,527).  There ser several that are higher in Colorado.

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I've been all over Utah.  Beautiful country.  It's fairly open and dry.  Nothing like the coastal rainforest we have where you're fighting your way up and down micro-terrain all day through nasty brush and briars and the furthest you can see is about 150ft. at any time.  It's just a different type of deal.  When I was a grunt we used to go to NTA in Okinawa and there wasn't anything there that was all that high, but you never had any flat ground.  You were always going up a super steep draw or down the other side and it was all triple canopy jungle.  Lots different than the Sierra Nevada's or other big, open mountain woods where you can see a ways and pick your trail out.

[yanktar]

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madryan wrote:

I'm sitting here watching Bambi with my kid.

Talking animals and hunters who are total billy-bobs that shoot anything that moves.  No wonder the bulk of people who have never been in an actual forest with actual animals think that's what hunters are like.  

Seriously...

I'm thinking of pulling a tag for Elk this year for the first time in a decade simply because I need the meat.  You can't get lean healthy meat anymore that's not full of hormones or antibiotics without paying a fortune.  I can bag an elk and get enough lean, healthy mean for a whole year with the way I eat.

So those of you who watched Bambi as a kid...  It's not like that.  Hunters don't go through the woods indescriminately killing everything that moves.  They don't use dogs and burn down the forest.  They don't fire over and over like the billy-bob in the movie.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled program of peeing down your legs at pictures of scary guns.

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Here are some real personal experiences with hunters.

1) Watching a neighbor from down the street going out at dusk in his cams with a his cam hunting bow.  Hunting at night is both stupid and illegal.

2) Working for a guy when I lived down South who got arrested by a state game warden for "firelightin'"--one night a deer froze in his truck's headlights and he grabbed his shot-gun off the rack and went gunning for it ...and the warden turned on his party lights...Hunting at night is both stupid and illegal.

3) Same boss took far more deer than the law allowed, include more than the single doe/fawn allowed, for meat in his freezer. 

4) Came out one day and found a hunting arrow in the back of my shed: the hunter was a) trespassing on my neighbor's POSTED land and b) letting loose 'way too close to a house, in total violation of the hunting laws in NJ.

5) Another boss, here in NJ, would shoot ANYTHING that came into his yard, even if it was a neighbor's cat.  He just liked to kill animals with his bow or his gun.

6) In the woods behind my house, again on posted land (not mine) a hunter kept a tree stand.

Now I like to think that most hunters follow the rules, and follow the laws, both for the legal reasons and just plain common sense safety.  But my PERSONAL experience is that there are many, many examples of people who don't give a sh!t about safe hunting practices, the law, or respecting private property.  I'd like to  assume they are a small minority, just like the @sshole doing 95 in a 65 zone is the exception, rather than the rule.  But like the guy piloting his 2 tons of 300-500hp 30mph over the speed limit is risking others lives, so the guy with the shotgun or hunting bow who does not respect the safe practices, the law, or private property is also risking the lives of others needlessly.

WTF is so hard about following existing hunting laws and safe hunting practices???????

[normh]

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madryan wrote:

I've been all over Utah.  Beautiful country.  It's fairly open and dry.  Nothing like the coastal rainforest we have where you're fighting your way up and down micro-terrain all day through nasty brush and briars and the furthest you can see is about 150ft. at any time.  It's just a different type of deal.  When I was a grunt we used to go to NTA in Okinawa and there wasn't anything there that was all that high, but you never had any flat ground.  You were always going up a super steep draw or down the other side and it was all triple canopy jungle.  Lots different than the Sierra Nevada's or other big, open mountain woods where you can see a ways and pick your trail out.

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Utah has regions some what like Oregon.  Wolf Creek Canyon, once you get off the road, Yellow Pine once you are off the road.  Not as wet, except in the winter when 50 - 100 feet of snow are not uncommon.  Brush higher than your head, no actual flat spot.  The Indian grazing land east of Tabiona and into Hells Canyon (don't be non-Ute and get caught there even with a permit - I know several of the Chiefs and Medicine men and am allowed).  In Hells Canyon there have been a few skeletons found that had committed suicide (per the Duchene coroner) by shooting themselves twice in the head - once with a .38 and once with an .06.

There is also one area outside of Willard that after you get off the trail, it is pure hell - no flat land and very steep.

One area outside of Ogden, I spent six hours going up on my belly to look for a lost mine.  Coming down five point, my foot dislodged a rock and started a scree avalanche.  I thought it was lights out.  I looked behind me and saw a rock about 6 - 8 feet long and 2 - 3 feet wide, waited until it was close and jumped up, landed on it, and rode it down.  It took less than five minutes to reach the bottom.  Not some thing I wish to do again.

So yeah, I know what you speak of, just different general terrain.  We wont talk about other things.

[The Badger]

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madryan wrote:

I'm sitting here watching Bambi with my kid.

Talking animals and hunters who are total billy-bobs that shoot anything that moves.  No wonder the bulk of people who have never been in an actual forest with actual animals think that's what hunters are like.  

Seriously...

I'm thinking of pulling a tag for Elk this year for the first time in a decade simply because I need the meat.  You can't get lean healthy meat anymore that's not full of hormones or antibiotics without paying a fortune.  I can bag an elk and get enough lean, healthy mean for a whole year with the way I eat.

So those of you who watched Bambi as a kid...  It's not like that.  Hunters don't go through the woods indescriminately killing everything that moves.  They don't use dogs and burn down the forest.  They don't fire over and over like the billy-bob in the movie.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled program of peeing down your legs at pictures of scary guns.

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The thing that scares people about guns is not the legitimate hunters who know the rules and have respect for both their surroundings and the animals they kill. The problem is all the "Billy-Bobs" in all those YouTube videos who go blasting away with fully-automatic weapons for the infantile joy of making loud noises and causing damage. Those are the idiots who give shooting and guns a bad name; problem is, they're also the ones who get an awful lot of press because of their poor gun handling skills and general idiocy.

If I ever did go hunting, I would go with a professional guide who knows the area and can help me get a clean, quick kill. He or she would also help me track a wounded animal and finish it off, rather than letting it suffer a slow, agonizing end, while I killed something else.

As for tree stands, those might work in some places, but where I live in New England, you might be asking for trouble. The woods here are very dense, not like the Rockies below the tree line, and certainly not like spotting elk above the tree line. It is quite possible to not see a deer that is relatively close. It's also possible to mistake someone's white mittens for "two deers' tales" and kill a woman in her back yard because you didn't know how close you were to someone's house. That happened in Maine, some years back.

[Alndln3]

I don't stereotype, but I know there are responsible hunters and there are assholes as well.

[Fred Fartboski]

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yanktar wrote:

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    But like the guy piloting his 2 tons of 300-500hp 30mph over the speed limit is risking others lives, so the guy with the shotgun or hunting bow who does not respect the safe practices, the law, or private property is also risking the lives of others needlessly.

 RobRoy?  :lol:

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[madryan]

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The Badger wrote:

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madryan wrote:

I'm sitting here watching Bambi with my kid.

Talking animals and hunters who are total billy-bobs that shoot anything that moves.  No wonder the bulk of people who have never been in an actual forest with actual animals think that's what hunters are like.  

Seriously...

I'm thinking of pulling a tag for Elk this year for the first time in a decade simply because I need the meat.  You can't get lean healthy meat anymore that's not full of hormones or antibiotics without paying a fortune.  I can bag an elk and get enough lean, healthy mean for a whole year with the way I eat.

So those of you who watched Bambi as a kid...  It's not like that.  Hunters don't go through the woods indescriminately killing everything that moves.  They don't use dogs and burn down the forest.  They don't fire over and over like the billy-bob in the movie.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled program of peeing down your legs at pictures of scary guns.

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The thing that scares people about guns is not the legitimate hunters who know the rules and have respect for both their surroundings and the animals they kill. The problem is all the "Billy-Bobs" in all those YouTube videos who go blasting away with fully-automatic weapons for the infantile joy of making loud noises and causing damage. Those are the idiots who give shooting and guns a bad name; problem is, they're also the ones who get an awful lot of press because of their poor gun handling skills and general idiocy.

If I ever did go hunting, I would go with a professional guide who knows the area and can help me get a clean, quick kill. He or she would also help me track a wounded animal and finish it off, rather than letting it suffer a slow, agonizing end, while I killed something else.

As for tree stands, those might work in some places, but where I live in New England, you might be asking for trouble. The woods here are very dense, not like the Rockies below the tree line, and certainly not like spotting elk above the tree line. It is quite possible to not see a deer that is relatively close. It's also possible to mistake someone's white mittens for "two deers' tales" and kill a woman in her back yard because you didn't know how close you were to someone's house. That happened in Maine, some years back.

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Everyone in my family are professional hunters.  My Cousin Mark even does a bit of Guide work on the side for a licensed guide service occasionally but his issue is he's completely intolerant of idiots or people who aren't relatively "Professional" hunters as well.  He taught his Son Tyler to kill with head shots whenever possible.  You track an elk till you get the shot then you take them with a CNS shot that basically kills them instantly.  Barring that double-lunging them or one through the heart will do.  So the guy he guides for sends the real seasoned hunters out with Mark and Mark finds the big bulls for them but keeps the novice hunters or the guys who are idiots for himself.  

Youtube was a real eye opener for me.  I grew up in an environment where you went out and tracked an animal in its environment.  You never took a shot unless it was a clean shot and you were absolutely sure of what you were shooting at.  Basically the bowhunter mentality.  I then joined the Marine Corps and because I'd spent alot of my childhood creeping around hunting animals who were much better at getting away than I was at catching them, I was naturally a hell of a good scout and point man.  

After I got out I'd lost all interest in hunting.  No desire to kill anything but I don't want to feed my body the crap you buy in stores anymore.  

[NOS68]

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The Badger wrote:

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madryan wrote:

I'm sitting here watching Bambi with my kid.

Talking animals and hunters who are total billy-bobs that shoot anything that moves.  No wonder the bulk of people who have never been in an actual forest with actual animals think that's what hunters are like.  

Seriously...

I'm thinking of pulling a tag for Elk this year for the first time in a decade simply because I need the meat.  You can't get lean healthy meat anymore that's not full of hormones or antibiotics without paying a fortune.  I can bag an elk and get enough lean, healthy mean for a whole year with the way I eat.

So those of you who watched Bambi as a kid...  It's not like that.  Hunters don't go through the woods indescriminately killing everything that moves.  They don't use dogs and burn down the forest.  They don't fire over and over like the billy-bob in the movie.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled program of peeing down your legs at pictures of scary guns.

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The thing that scares people about guns is not the legitimate hunters who know the rules and have respect for both their surroundings and the animals they kill. The problem is all the "Billy-Bobs" in all those YouTube videos who go blasting away with fully-automatic weapons for the infantile joy of making loud noises and causing damage. Those are the idiots who give shooting and guns a bad name; problem is, they're also the ones who get an awful lot of press because of their poor gun handling skills and general idiocy.

If I ever did go hunting, I would go with a professional guide who knows the area and can help me get a clean, quick kill. He or she would also help me track a wounded animal and finish it off, rather than letting it suffer a slow, agonizing end, while I killed something else.

As for tree stands, those might work in some places, but where I live in New England, you might be asking for trouble. The woods here are very dense, not like the Rockies below the tree line, and certainly not like spotting elk above the tree line. It is quite possible to not see a deer that is relatively close. It's also possible to mistake someone's white mittens for "two deers' tales" and kill a woman in her back yard because you didn't know how close you were to someone's house. That happened in Maine, some years back.

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Those idiots are few and far between in my experince, and I've hunted for 34 years. The worst I've seen have been city boys and believe it or not Native Canadian Indians. The city boys you'd always see on the Sunday before opening day on Monday in the sporting good stores buying their rifles and bore sighting them knowing they'd never sight them in. Now the natives up in Quebec sickened me, we go up every few years for the winter caribou hunt and if you catch it when they are heavely migrating it isn't much of hunt as there are thousands to choose from. The natives that I witnessed where using underpowered Mini-14's which is a .223 round and would only shoot an animal in the road and if it didn't drop in the road they didn't go after it just shot another.