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guido61
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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit


moogerfooger wrote:
Im wondering how you can have a budget surplus when there is no actual budget. congress has failed to pass a budget since bush was in office

There is an actual budget.

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit

Psst.  Don't tell the House, the Senate, or the President.

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit


moogerfooger wrote:
Im wondering how you can have a budget surplus when there is no actual budget. congress has failed to pass a budget since bush was in office

The "budget" in "budget surplus" is superfluous.  It's just revenue-expeditures=surplus (deficit).


It's also fairly meaningless to discuss a January surplus because there will be a number of expeditures later in the year that don't occur in January, or occur at much higher levels.  Things like paying out tax refunds, or road and bridge construction.  It's a good sign that the surplus is higher than it has been in a long time, but it's not terribly meaningful absent the data for the rest of the year.

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit

....and it's all cuz of Barry!

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit


moonlightin wrote:

Where's burnings and visconti?

 

Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit

 

The federal government reported a rare surplus for January and is on track to run the lowest annual deficit since President Barack Obama took office.

The Treasury Department said Tuesday that the government took in a surplus of $2.9 billion in January, helped by nearly $9 billion more in Social Security taxes. Last month Congress and the White House allowed a temporary cut in Social Security taxes to expire.

The monthly surplus was the first since September.

Through the first four months of the 2013 budget year, the deficit has grown $290.4 billion. That's nearly $60 billion lower than the same period a year ago.

Revenue through those four months is 12.4 percent higher compared with the same period last year, while spending has grown only 3.5 percent.

The budget year began on Oct. 1.

The Congressional Budget Office forecasts that the deficit will total $845 billion when the budget year ends on Sept. 30. If correct, that would be first time the government has run annual deficit below $1 trillion since 2008.

The deficit is the amount the government must borrow when its expenses exceed its revenue. Each month's deficit is volatile and can be affected by calendar quirks that shift government spending or revenue from one month to another.

The annual deficit is projected to be smaller this year because the government is collecting more revenue this year, mainly because of faster job growth and higher taxes.

 

At the same time, the government is spending less on some programs. That's in part because of spending cuts that were enacted under a 2011 agreement to raise the federal borrowing limit. Also, the improved economy has reduced demand for unemployment benefits and some other government programs.

Last year, the economy grew at a modest 2.2 percent and generated an average of about 180,000 jobs a month. Stronger job growth is forecast for this year – an average of more than 200,000 a month, some economists say. More jobs mean more income, which generates more tax revenue for the government.

Another factor in a smaller expected deficit is higher taxes for some Americans this year. When Congress and the White House reached a deal in January to avert the fiscal cliff, they allowed taxes to rise on individuals earning at least $400,000 a year and couples earning $450,000. That is expected to raise $620 billion in revenue over the next decade.

And the agreement allowed a 2 percentage point cut in the Social Security tax to expire, thereby raising taxes on nearly everyone who earns a paycheck. This year's higher Social Security tax is projected to raise about $10 billion more a month in revenue.

The additional revenue is likely to slow the deficit's growth for the rest of the budget year. The deficit will also likely shrink in April, when the government collects much of its income-tax revenue. Last year, the government reported a surplus of $59 billion for April. A stronger economy could make this year's April surplus even larger.

Economists are also optimistic that this year's deficit could be smaller than $1 trillion. But much depends on negotiations in Washington over the next few weeks. On March 1, $85 billion in spending cuts are scheduled to take effect unless Congress and the White House reach a deal to avert them.

Cooper Howes, an economist at Barclays, said that if the full amount of reductions take place, that could trim overall economic growth by about one-half percentage point.

The CBO is projecting even smaller annual deficits of $616 billion in 2014 and $459 billion in 2015. But as more baby boomers retire and claim Medicare and Social Security, deficits would likely rise again. The implementation of the 2010 health care law would also widen deficits. The CBO forecasts that deficits could near $1 trillion again by 2023.

Republicans and President Barack Obama agree on the need for a plan to contain the deficits. But they are at odds over the details. Republicans want to trim growth in Social Security and Medicare spending but oppose any further tax increases.

Obama has said he is willing to consider cuts in the growth of entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security. But he argues that a balanced approach will require further tax increases on the highest earners.

Obama's presidency has coincided with four straight $1 trillion-plus deficits.

The gaps reached a record $1.41 trillion in budget year 2009, which began four months before Obama took office. That deficit was due largely to the worst recession since the Great Depression. Tax revenue plummeted. And the government spent more on stimulus programs.

The budget gaps in 2010 and 2011 were slightly lower than the 2009 deficit as a gradually strengthening economy generated more tax revenue.

President George W. Bush also ran annual deficits through most of his two terms in office after he won approval for broad tax cuts and launched wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The last time the government ran an annual surplus was in 2001.


We only need 6,000 more of those 3 billion dollar budgets deficits to pay off the national debt.

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit

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Tom Hicks wrote:

coyote-1 wrote:
This is actually a big deal. Making the deficit as a % of GDP shrink too fast has a history of inducing recession, and we are now ontrack for the quickest deficit reduction since the years immediately following WWII.

 

my understanding is that the additional funds are mostly due to the expiration of the temporary SS tax reduction. i don't think there is a previous correlation with that and recession, as all the other funding streams are still in place, rather than being diverted to deficit reduction.


Here's a thought, if this came from the temp SS tax thang why not put it back where it belongs, in the SS system?

Caint do dat, makes too much sense

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit


Belva wrote:



Here's a thought, if this came from the SS why not put it back where it belongs, in the SS system?

Caint do dat, makes too much sense


Well, they will actually.  All money from the payroll tax goes to the SS and Medicare first.  So if the increased revenue is coming from that tax, that where it goes.  

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit


Belva wrote:

Here's a thought, if this came from the temp SS tax thang why not put it back where it belongs, in the SS system?

Caint do dat, makes too much sense


 

 

guido already answered your question.

 

i'll just add that SS funds taken for other purposes are replaced with govt bonds that pay interest, so the fund will actually profit by the loan.

 

and as far i know, the US govt has never defaulted on a bond, so it seems safe enough.

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Re: Treasury Department Reports $3 Billion Budget Surplus In January, Shrinking Deficit

It's all cuz Obamao raised taxes!
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