The Political Party

[yumpy]

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chuckgp wrote:

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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and goddamn these quotes taking up half a fucking page

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He says as he quotes the whole kit and kaboodle.  You make me feel so extremely normal, chuck.

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you are normal -- just another low-iq creationist telling others what THEY need to do while missing your own shoelace.

and goddamn the having to log in for every post

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lololololol!!!

sucks to be u, don't it? lol!

atheist fuckin looser, u is. 

only u idiots are telling people what to do. we/I could give a fuck, if God messes up your experience here on PP or even your life. 

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as long as what you call 'God' doesn't make me a cess-brained moron like you, or U2BMarjoe, or stomped on the head toomanytimes,

I'm good..and still laughing.

Its a shame Jesus didn't have you dummbasses following him around, we would have a Gospel worth a damn then.

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cess-brained moron? 

lol, you don't know, do you. 

ignorance is bliss, ain't it? 

God stuck his finger into your frontal lobes a long tme ago, dude. 

mixed it up like eggs for a spanish omlette.

or maybe it was the doctor with vice grips. 

[yumpy]

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chuckgp wrote:

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

And be sure to watch PBS for the latest on evolution so you won't be such an idiot on at least one subject.

Although we do appeciate the laughs

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You're lying, and I know that you know that I know it.  This is not what you think, and you are not laughing.  And when somebody has to pretend, it means they're worried, down deep in that muddled brain of yours.

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damn, you really are a creationist idiot. I know you're fucked up.

after all, you creationists are only folks that fucked up your lives so bad you had to find the savior.

rewatch that PBS Dover trial show, you creationists are the worried liars.  The ones not laughing, like Boner in back last night.

try again. CS, you failed me.

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i've watched every season and show of CSI. 

and Bones! 

i am an expert in forensics! 

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I'm glad you have embraced evolution,

and have begun hating 'god'

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and how do those shows relate to evolution? 

i come here and you idiots are proof that evolution is a myth. 

[fatback]

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

dude, do you realize that means people get a get-out-of-ail-free card from the ninth commandment “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." since it's not a lie as long as you believe in Jesus Christ.

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So what God do you believe in?

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Oh, you quoted what I said, but then the question under that was off on a tangent.  It's starting to look like you are trying to take attention off the problems with what you just wrote.  It sounds like this isn't the only time you've done that.

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I'm NOT bearing false witness against my neighbors. I'm trying to help my neighbors. God does not want anyone to perish and either do I.

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'Please stop me before I kill again' 

While I'm sure that you don't want anyone to perish not so sure about your described god.  After all if a all powerful all knowing god didn't want anyone to perish then they would not perish.  I think god should take some responsibility for his decissions.

Phil

[Minning Around]

Jesus died a long time ago and there never has been a "Christ".

[yumpy]

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fatback wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

dude, do you realize that means people get a get-out-of-ail-free card from the ninth commandment “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." since it's not a lie as long as you believe in Jesus Christ.

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So what God do you believe in?

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Oh, you quoted what I said, but then the question under that was off on a tangent.  It's starting to look like you are trying to take attention off the problems with what you just wrote.  It sounds like this isn't the only time you've done that.

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I'm NOT bearing false witness against my neighbors. I'm trying to help my neighbors. God does not want anyone to perish and either do I.

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'Please stop me before I kill again' 

While I'm sure that you don't want anyone to perish not so sure about your described god.  After all if a all powerful all knowing god didn't want anyone to perish then they would not perish.  I think god should take some responsibility for his decissions.

Phil

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only 1 way not to "die"

and who the fuck wants to see u live forever, anyway.

[photon9]

U2BMO: So you're one of the people who rejects God because you can't accept his connection with pain. Either he's not all powerful or not all loving, you say.
But how about the converse? You are, I presume, looking for some alternative explanation for it all. Isn't ANY explanation you find going to have to be compatible with pain? Pain is part of life, so if you find something that doesn't produce pain, you haven't found the explanation of life.
What we humans really want is hope, not explanations. When you break a leg, you don't need a doctor to tell you "you exceeded the shear strength of your tibia". No, what you want is a doctor who says "We can fix that. A year from now your bone will actually be stronger than it is now" We all face a choice at some point: Cling to our grudge and nurse it until it destroys us, or let it go and listen to the deepest part of our hearts. He will wipe every tear away, the very finger of God will wipe the believer's tears away, and the former things will not even be remembered. He IS all powerful, all loving, and He knows what he's doing. That's all we really need to know.
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First thing: I said evil/sin not pain... But whatever.

Second: what is the converse of not all-loving, or not all-powerful? Are you using extra-terrestrial (or whatever) logic again?

Third: we don't hold a grudge, we merely realized that The Christian god does not match up with reality. Kind of like children when they begin to wonder how Santa delivers all those presents in a single night.

Fourth: I looked in the deepest part of my heart and realized to my very core that Yahweh makes absolutely no sense. For many reasons besides just the problem of suffering.

Fifth: Pain is a very useful feature of life, especially from an evolutionary perspective, no god required.

Last: it's really beautiful being able to answer these kinds of questions logically rather than making endless assertions. You assert that God IS all loving and all powerful yet you provide absolutely no evidence to demonstrate that these statements are true (never mind proving god even exists). And you don't provide evidence to back your claims because you can't. You know in your heart and your brain that an all powerful all loving god is impossible so naturally your only recourse is to keep trying to convince yourself he is through endless repetition and ignoring reality.

[fatback]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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photon9 wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

I'm not making false statements. You don't believe the truth I speak. You have no faith in the one true God of Abraham. I do. You need to accept what the Lord Jesus Christ has done fvor you!

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SBM.  Did God create everything?  If so then did God create evil/sin?  If not then he must have at least allowed evil/sin to happen since God is all-powerful and could do away with evil/sin if he chose to.  Furthermore, if sin just happened then his creation clearly had at least one flaw.  Therefore, God is at minimum, indirectly responsible for the existence of evil/sin. 

Since this must be true, what exactly did Jesus Christ do for us? 

Additionally, the only way God could do away with evil/sin, which remember God is at least indirectly responsible for, was to kill his only son and simultaneously commit suicide (since Jesus and God are regarded as the same thing according to Christian doctrine).

An all powerful god couldn't just get rid of evil/sin in an instant through his will alone if he indeed chose to?

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So you're one of the people who rejects God because you can't accept his connection with pain.  Either he's not all powerful or not all loving, you say.

But how about the converse?  You are, I presume, looking for some alternative explanation for it all.  Isn't ANY explanation you find going to have to be compatible with pain?  Pain is part of life, so if you find something that doesn't produce pain, you haven't found the explanation of life.

What we humans really want is hope, not explanations.  When you break a leg, you don't need a doctor to tell you "you exceeded the shear strength of your tibia".  No, what you want is a doctor who says "We can fix that.  A year from now your bone will actually be stronger than it is now"  We all face a choice at some point:  Cling to our grudge and nurse it until it destroys us, or let it go and listen to the deepest part of our hearts.  He will wipe every tear away, the very finger of God will wipe the believer's tears away, and the former things will not even be remembered.  He IS all powerful, all loving, and He knows what he's doing. That's all we really need to know. 

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I agree with you again - bad things happen in life - Now  if life is not the outcome of a design why would I expect bad things to be designed out.  However if life is the (alleged) perfect design of the (alleged) perfect designer then I wouldn't think it unreasonable to ask why bad things happen.  I know its a difficult question to answer - but it is fundemental to understanding how the characteristics attributed to the diety can be balanced with reality we see around us. 

Now some will say that those who ask a question just don't understand, or will suggest that the question is illegitimate or in some way silly.  But to believe in a god as described it the believer must have either faced it or decided to ignore it. 

What we humans really want is hope, not explanations

Markho - I really respect your brutal honesty with this.  But how did you get to the place where you feel that this hope is any more than an unsubstiated desire?  

Phil 

[fatback]

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yumpy wrote:

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fatback wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

dude, do you realize that means people get a get-out-of-ail-free card from the ninth commandment “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." since it's not a lie as long as you believe in Jesus Christ.

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So what God do you believe in?

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Oh, you quoted what I said, but then the question under that was off on a tangent.  It's starting to look like you are trying to take attention off the problems with what you just wrote.  It sounds like this isn't the only time you've done that.

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I'm NOT bearing false witness against my neighbors. I'm trying to help my neighbors. God does not want anyone to perish and either do I.

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'Please stop me before I kill again' 

While I'm sure that you don't want anyone to perish not so sure about your described god.  After all if a all powerful all knowing god didn't want anyone to perish then they would not perish.  I think god should take some responsibility for his decissions.

Phil

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only 1 way not to "die"

and who the fuck wants to see u live forever, anyway.

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I certainly have no wish to live forever - but saying that I have no urge to die soon either.   How about you yump you want to live forever?

Phil

[Permanoobie2]

I shall address the points individually

Stompboxman : First off nobody cares what you say.

This would require that you [user : StompboxMan ] would have knowledge of the internal preferences of all people.  Do note that this is contrary to your previous position that user's may not comment on other user's thoughts.  It is, however consistent with your claim of oracular powers and consistent with your current position that you may fabricate false statements without compunction

StompboxMan : I made MISTAKES not posting the Links. I made MISTAKES. I didn't  post those links intentionally! Do you get that? A unintentional MISTAKE is not the same as an intentional act. Do you get that?

This would be somewhat contrary to your claims of oracular powers of God, but is consistent consistent with your current position that you may fabricate false statements without compunction.

The readers at large may wish to recall , that when multiple instances of plagiarism were noticed and commented upon, user StompboxMan did not make correction, but rather misstated copyright law and plagiarism conventions (this occurred even after these were explained by a qualified legal professional) and eventually fabricated a false medical conditions (and divine healing thereof by Jesus Christ) in an attempt to excuse his plagiarism.

Do note that he [user : StompboxMan] has continued to misrepresent copyright issues in this matter as recently as yesterday

StompboxMan : You are only here IMHO to harrass me about the past.

That you [user : StompboxMan] would express a humble opiinion is somewhat contradictory to your claims of oracluar power of God.

As to harrassment, as discussed earlier, there is avenue for redress by way of report to Harmony Central forum administration.  If they [ Harmony Central administration] does determine that there is harassment, then they can take appropriate action much in the way that you [user : StompboxMan] were recently sanctioned for plagiarism.

Do note, however, that have demonstrated a specific utility to my commentary with practical example.

StompboxMan : Who are you to judge me? You have NO faith in God Almighty, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit of God. You complain about me over and over! Your repetition is pointless. I've heard all your accusations and complaints the first time. You repeating them does nothing but make you look foolish. You have nothing to contribute here but harassment.You are the worst kind of troll because of the constant accusations and complaints. Don't have you have anything better to do but come to this thread and complain and accuse. What a waste of your own time.

Much of this has been discussed previously.  The reader at large may, again, wish to recall that user StompboxMan has been banned on more than one occasion for inappropriate behavior such as restarting closed threads ( a behavior that speaks more to belaboring a point than does active contribution in an already active thread) and dishonest practice such as plagiarism.

[chuckgp]

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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and goddamn these quotes taking up half a fucking page

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He says as he quotes the whole kit and kaboodle.  You make me feel so extremely normal, chuck.

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you are normal -- just another low-iq creationist telling others what THEY need to do while missing your own shoelace.

and goddamn the having to log in for every post

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lololololol!!!

sucks to be u, don't it? lol!

atheist fuckin looser, u is. 

only u idiots are telling people what to do. we/I could give a fuck, if God messes up your experience here on PP or even your life. 

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as long as what you call 'God' doesn't make me a cess-brained moron like you, or U2BMarjoe, or stomped on the head toomanytimes,

I'm good..and still laughing.

Its a shame Jesus didn't have you dummbasses following him around, we would have a Gospel worth a damn then.

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cess-brained moron? 

lol, you don't know, do you. 

ignorance is bliss, ain't it? 

God stuck his finger into your frontal lobes a long tme ago, dude. 

mixed it up like eggs for a spanish omlette.

or maybe it was the doctor with vice grips. 

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slipperman

[chuckgp]

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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yumpy wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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chuckgp wrote:

And be sure to watch PBS for the latest on evolution so you won't be such an idiot on at least one subject.

Although we do appeciate the laughs

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You're lying, and I know that you know that I know it.  This is not what you think, and you are not laughing.  And when somebody has to pretend, it means they're worried, down deep in that muddled brain of yours.

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damn, you really are a creationist idiot. I know you're fucked up.

after all, you creationists are only folks that fucked up your lives so bad you had to find the savior.

rewatch that PBS Dover trial show, you creationists are the worried liars.  The ones not laughing, like Boner in back last night.

try again. CS, you failed me.

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i've watched every season and show of CSI. 

and Bones! 

i am an expert in forensics! 

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I'm glad you have embraced evolution,

and have begun hating 'god'

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and how do those shows relate to evolution? 

i come here and you idiots are proof that evolution is a myth. 

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and you are nothing but sure proof that god is a myth at best

[Used2BMarkoh]

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photon9 wrote:

Third: we don't hold a grudge, we merely realized that The Christian god does not match up with reality. Kind of like children when they begin to wonder how Santa delivers all those presents in a single night.

But he does match up with reality. He doesn't match up with your previous ideas of God, maybe, but that's quite a different matter. Why should your first impression of God have to be the authorized one?

Last: it's really beautiful being able to answer these kinds of questions logically rather than making endless assertions.

I look at things logically. I'm one of the few here who does, actually, and I'm Christian. Do the math.

You assert that God IS all loving and all powerful yet you provide absolutely no evidence to demonstrate that these statements are true (never mind proving god even exists).

"Absolutely no evidence" - ? You know that's not true, you know exactly what my evidence is. So you're either being illogical or dishonest here. That's better than being a believer?

You know in your heart and your brain that an all powerful all loving god is impossible

I know no such thing, but if I did, the logical inference would be that God can't be all powerful and/or all loving. There's nothing logical about "A can't exist, therefore nothing does"

[StompboxMan]

Doesn't anyone want to live forever? Accept Jesus Christ Into your life! You can change your life for the better!

[StompboxMan]

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Permanoobie2 wrote:

I shall address the points individually

Stompboxman : First off nobody cares what you say.

This would require that you [user : StompboxMan ] would have knowledge of the internal preferences of all people.  Do note that this is contrary to your previous position that user's may not comment on other user's thoughts.  It is, however consistent with your claim of oracular powers and consistent with your current position that you may fabricate false statements without compunction

StompboxMan : I made MISTAKES not posting the Links. I made MISTAKES. I didn't  post those links intentionally! Do you get that? A unintentional MISTAKE is not the same as an intentional act. Do you get that?

This would be somewhat contrary to your claims of oracular powers of God, but is consistent consistent with your current position that you may fabricate false statements without compunction.

The readers at large may wish to recall , that when multiple instances of plagiarism were noticed and commented upon, user StompboxMan did not make correction, but rather misstated copyright law and plagiarism conventions (this occurred even after these were explained by a qualified legal professional) and eventually fabricated a false medical conditions (and divine healing thereof by Jesus Christ) in an attempt to excuse his plagiarism.

Do note that he [user : StompboxMan] has continued to misrepresent copyright issues in this matter as recently as yesterday

StompboxMan : You are only here IMHO to harrass me about the past.

That you [user : StompboxMan] would express a humble opiinion is somewhat contradictory to your claims of oracluar power of God.

As to harrassment, as discussed earlier, there is avenue for redress by way of report to Harmony Central forum administration.  If they [ Harmony Central administration] does determine that there is harassment, then they can take appropriate action much in the way that you [user : StompboxMan] were recently sanctioned for plagiarism.

Do note, however, that have demonstrated a specific utility to my commentary with practical example.

StompboxMan : Who are you to judge me? You have NO faith in God Almighty, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit of God. You complain about me over and over! Your repetition is pointless. I've heard all your accusations and complaints the first time. You repeating them does nothing but make you look foolish. You have nothing to contribute here but harassment.You are the worst kind of troll because of the constant accusations and complaints. Don't have you have anything better to do but come to this thread and complain and accuse. What a waste of your own time.

Much of this has been discussed previously.  The reader at large may, again, wish to recall that user StompboxMan has been banned on more than one occasion for inappropriate behavior such as restarting closed threads ( a behavior that speaks more to belaboring a point than does active contribution in an already active thread) and dishonest practice such as plagiarism.

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You are making the same complaints and accustaion over and over and over and over and over! Why can't you drop the complaints and accustaions against me and take part in the discussion of the OP.

Don't you want to live for ever? Why can't you accept Jesus Christ into your life?

[willy-b]

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StompboxMan wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

So you don't believe in my God?

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weird, now you are asking the whole forum?
Man, you are really reaching to distract people from the problems that cropped up in what you wrote.

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No, just one member, I'm not distracting people at all. I'm trying to help people understand God's Plan of Salvation.

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which member though? You just threw it out there with nobody's name on it

I agree with you that aren't distracting members from noticing the problems in what you said.  You're trying, but you are failing at it.  People notice

If you were really trying to save people you wouldn't be telling people you can say anything you want and it's not lying.

[moogerfooger]

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StompboxMan wrote:

Doesn't anyone want to live forever? Accept Jesus Christ Into your life! You can change your life for the better!

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no -- I dont.   and yes,  if there is something wrong with your life, you can change it for the better.  the opperative word is YOU.  Accepting jesus into your life changes nothing in and of itself. you still have to do the work yourself. 

[moogerfooger]

markoh: What we humans really want is hope, not explanations. When you break a leg, you don't need a doctor to tell you "you exceeded the shear strength of your tibia". No, what you want is a doctor who says "We can fix that. A year from now your bone will actually be stronger than it is now" We all face a choice at some point: Cling to our grudge and nurse it until it destroys us, or let it go and listen to the deepest part of our hearts. He will wipe every tear away, the very finger of God will wipe the believer's tears away, and the former things will not even be remembered. He IS all powerful, all loving, and He knows what he's doing. That's all we really need to know."

this is absolutely not true in any sense whatsoever.   

[Permanoobie2]

Used2BMarkoh (reposted by moogerfooger) : markoh: What we humans really want is hope, not explanations. When you break a leg, you don't need a doctor to tell you "you exceeded the shear strength of your tibia". No, what you want is a doctor who says "We can fix that. A year from now your bone will actually be stronger than it is now" We all face a choice at some point: Cling to our grudge and nurse it until it destroys us, or let it go and listen to the deepest part of our hearts. He will wipe every tear away, the very finger of God will wipe the believer's tears away, and the former things will not even be remembered. He IS all powerful, all loving, and He knows what he's doing. That's all we really need to know."

 If we do accept the premise that hope is the function, then a universalist (universal salvation or salvation-not-necessary) model would be of greater utility than non-universalist models.

[StompboxMan]

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moogerfooger wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

Doesn't anyone want to live forever? Accept Jesus Christ Into your life! You can change your life for the better!

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no -- I dont.   and yes,  if there is something wrong with your life, you can change it for the better.  the opperative word is YOU.  Accepting jesus into your life changes nothing in and of itself. you still have to do the work yourself. 

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Can't you try to accept Jesus Christ into your life?

[Used2BMarkoh]

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moogerfooger wrote:

 the very finger of God will wipe the believer's tears away, and the former things will not even be remembered. He IS all powerful, all loving, and He knows what he's doing. That's all we really need to know."

this is absolutely not true in any sense whatsoever.   

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And we have your say so on that!

We have ample evidence that he does know what he's doing, by examining the workings of the ecosystem.  We have ample evidence of power, though "all powerful" can't be observed.  We have evidence of His justice, mercy, and love, from the simple fact that we hold such concepts so dear in the face of a cruel external reality. And we have revelation, and revelation is judged by imprecise standards.  People who insist on absolute certainty are never going to know much of anything.