The Political Party

[onelife]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

A metaphor for what? You are suggesting there is some path for humans to follow, some external reality they may or may not do well with. That's at odds with the idea of god being us.

Again, how can there be 'false values' for us unless there is a definition of values that does not depend on us? We are the temporary players on some stage we did not build. That's pretty obvious if you're just trying to observe reality instead of pretending to write your own.

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The metaphor is for the human journey - evolution (if you will accept that) - a path to enlightenment. We all have "The Divine" within us - we just have to peel away the layers of delusion to be able to see it. The path is both an individual one and a collective (i.e. the human species) one.

The false values are things like thinking we need to look younger instead of accepting ourselves for who we are - aging is a natural process. Most of these false values are created in an effort to sell product.

I agree that we are temporary players but I'm not so sure we didn't build the stage ourselves based on our interpretation of the true nature of reality. As you have stated previously, there is a lot more going on here than we are currently able to comprehend.

btw, I respect your humble opinion even though my humble opinion is somewhat different

[moogerfooger]

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StompboxMan wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:

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StompboxMan wrote:

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BigMac5 wrote:

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That is the opional of all unbelievers. They say those thing because Satan, the father of all lies, influences them to call God's Holy Bible a myth or a lie. It's Satan agenda to lead everyone away from Jesus Christ. You can see his influence all over the world in all the bad things that happen. You would has to be blinded to the truth of God's plan of Salvation to believe the lies of Satan.

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what lie did satan tell? 

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From the very beginning, in the garden, he lied to Adam and Eve and told them God was lying to them and that they could be like God. All lies that caused the downfall of man as evil thoughts and sin entered the world. Satan continues to tell the very same lie every minute of every day!

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NO -- he said:

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

he said Gods   not God.  and he said "God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof"  

so does the phrase in the day ye eat thereof  mean that they will begin to have knowledge -- or would their eyes be opend right away.  is it nieve to suggest they would gain the knowledge immediately? 

why would the phrase mean right away in this verse but not in the prior verse where god says: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

[Permanoobie2]

StompboxMan : Listen to yourself, you're telling you know what I'm thinking. That is absurd!

This would be incorrect as you [user : StompboxMan] have admitted to fabricating false information and hold a position that lies are of diabolical origin.  Hence, you [user : StompboxMan] would be in association with Satan, QED

StompboxMan : Your continual accusations are devoid of any mercy or forgiveness. Why can't you forgive and forget?

This would be inconsistent with your position in this thread that you have not engaged in dishonesty and, as such, is a continuation of your overall pattern of dishonesty.
  The above statement does, however lead to an interesting question as to wheather forgiveness should be applied to an ongoing behavior (such as, in this case, user StompboxMan's dishonest practices).

Perhaps more importantly, the disclosure of user StompboxMan's pattern of dishonesty can be of aid to the reader at large in determining the accuracy and veracity (or lack thereof)  of StompboxMan's contributions.  This may be of special importance post system migration as the record of StompboxMan's dishonesty may not be immediatwely apparent to some users (for example user Yumpy was unaware of user StompboxMan's admission of fabricating false information).  This would be simply a matter of record as opposed to a function of any forgiveness.
As to forgetting, in the previous "reason to believe..." thread we did run a week long demonstration as to the problems with non-memory..  Also note that user StompboxMan routinely uses information (the accuracy and veracity or lack thereof notwithstanding) from the past.

[onelife]

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yumpy wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:

soooooooo, what lie did satan tell again? 

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start with adam and eve could be like God.

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I'm not an "expert" on the Abrahamic religions (like some of you here are) but, according to legend, did God not create man in his own image?

[Used2BMarkoh]

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moogerfooger wrote:

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why would the phrase mean right away in this verse but not in the prior verse where god says: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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The dying starts right away, is the way I've mostly heard it explained.  Everything changed at that point.  It's like telling a recovering drunk "You take that drink, you lose everything"  He doesn't lose it right away, but the inevitable decline is set in motion with that first drink.

[notgonnadoit]

The lengths that apologists will go to to rationalize biblical inconsistencies is always entertaining.

[Used2BMarkoh]

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onelife wrote:

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

A metaphor for what? You are suggesting there is some path for humans to follow, some external reality they may or may not do well with. That's at odds with the idea of god being us.

Again, how can there be 'false values' for us unless there is a definition of values that does not depend on us? We are the temporary players on some stage we did not build. That's pretty obvious if you're just trying to observe reality instead of pretending to write your own.

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The metaphor is for the human journey - evolution (if you will accept that) - a path to enlightenment. We all have "The Divine" within us - we just have to peel away the layers of delusion to be able to see it.

Does that really even mean anything, or are you just medicating yourself with cool sounding phrases?

[Used2BMarkoh]

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notgonnadoit wrote:
The lengths that apologists will go to to rationalize biblical inconsistencies is always entertaining.

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Well, let's look at it your way:  You want to say that somebody just made up a myth.  So, in making it up, they chose to insert an obvious self-contradiction.  And this myth has informed societies for thousands of years, until you can along and alerted humanity to this error.

I think not, baby puppy.

[moogerfooger]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:

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why would the phrase mean right away in this verse but not in the prior verse where god says: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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The dying starts right away, is the way I've mostly heard it explained.  Everything changed at that point.  It's like telling a recovering drunk "You take that drink, you lose everything"  He doesn't lose it right away, but the inevitable decline is set in motion with that first drink.

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but that doesnt answer the question.   did not adam and eve gain the knowledge of good and evil right away? or did they just start to learn.    it's the exact same phrase.   this is why christian doctrine is bull shit. verses mean what they want them to mean. using a shoehorn to pry verses into their interpratation. 

[onelife]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

Well, this idea that we can create our own reality is a very 20th century thing, a playtoy for those who haven't had to live as 90% of the world has had to.

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The Buddha preceded Jesus by 500 years. Have you ever looked into Buddhist philosophy?

Modern science is beginning to catch up with what the Buddha taught about the power of the mind and the true nature of reality.

[moogerfooger]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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notgonnadoit wrote:
The lengths that apologists will go to to rationalize biblical inconsistencies is always entertaining.

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Well, let's look at it your way:  You want to say that somebody just made up a myth.  So, in making it up, they chose to insert an obvious self-contradiction.  And this myth has informed societies for thousands of years, until you can along and alerted humanity to this error.

I think not, baby puppy.

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wel that is what myths do -- they inform. or transmit information over time. someone didnt just make it up. the myths evolved over thousands of years.  obvious self-contradictions are inevetable

[notgonnadoit]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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notgonnadoit wrote:
The lengths that apologists will go to to rationalize biblical inconsistencies is always entertaining.

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Well, let's look at it your way:  You want to say that somebody just made up a myth.  So, in making it up, they chose to insert an obvious self-contradiction.  And this myth has informed societies for thousands of years, until you can along and alerted humanity to this error.

I think not, baby puppy.

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This is just the type of word salad I expect from you.

[onelife]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

Does that really even mean anything, or are you just medicating yourself with cool sounding phrases?

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It certainly appears that way doesn't it?

The fact is, I don't believe there is any evil - there is only ignorance.

[moogerfooger]

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onelife wrote:

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yumpy wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:

soooooooo, what lie did satan tell again? 

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start with adam and eve could be like God.

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I'm not an "expert" on the Abrahamic religions (like some of you here are) but, according to legend, did God not create man in his own image?

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 And God said, Let us make man in our image, 

[moogerfooger]

its also interesting that they created them male and female, before eve was made from adams rib. 

gen 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Eve doesnt appear until Chapter 2 

[Chaunch]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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notgonnadoit wrote:
The lengths that apologists will go to to rationalize biblical inconsistencies is always entertaining.

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Well, let's look at it your way:  You want to say that somebody just made up a myth.  So, in making it up, they chose to insert an obvious self-contradiction.  And this myth has informed societies for thousands of years, until you can along and alerted humanity to this error.

I think not, baby puppy.

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simpleton supreme.

[Used2BMarkoh]

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moogerfooger wrote:

its also interesting that they created them male and female, before eve was made from adams rib. 

gen 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Eve doesnt appear until Chapter 2 

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Come on, mooger, "Introductory paragraph", high school term paper?  "Tell me what you're going to tell me, then tell me, then summarize what you told me" - ?

You guys tell me I'm arrogant, but you can't find the common sense to say "Hey, this is one of the world's all time great works of literature, maybe I'm just not getting it?"

[Mossy Mossy Mo…]

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Used2BMarkoh wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:

its also interesting that they created them male and female, before eve was made from adams rib. 

gen 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Eve doesnt appear until Chapter 2 

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Come on, mooger, "Introductory paragraph", high school term paper?  "Tell me what you're going to tell me, then tell me, then summarize what you told me" - ?

You guys tell me I'm arrogant, but you can't find the common sense to say "Hey, this is one of the world's all time great works of literature, maybe I'm just not getting it?"

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I'm sure there are plenty of your counterparts in the world of Islam who defend their Quran with the same fallacious reasoning. 

[BigMac5]

[BigMac5]