The Political Party

[The Badger]

Ever since Barack Obama got elected four years ago, some people have been wishing they had Ronald Reagan back in the White House. They claim he "knew what to do" to "fix the economy"...and everything else. However, looking back on history, I have my doubts. Consider the following:

Reagan "brought the American Economy back" from the mess it had been in the Carter years, when unemployment and interest rates were both into double digits.

However, Reagan did it with deficit spending, running up bills he had no intention of paying. Reagan was also the first president to propose a three trillion dollar budget, financed mostly through deficit spending. Now those Reagan-era bills are coming due.

Further, Reagan's example made it "okay" for the Bush administrations (father and son) to run up huge bills on the national credit card and leave them for "some Democrat" to worry about. We're still paying for those messes, too; or we would be if the Republicans in Congress would get off their well-financed posteriors and work on the budget problem.

Reagan's way of "balancing the budget" included increasing the FICA ("Social Security") tax while at the same time cutting benefits. Does this sound familiar? By the way, the "savings" from those moves were raided by Congress to pay for other things.

And if that wasn't enough, Reagan also invented "trickle-down economics" -- otherwise known as tax breaks for the rich -- on the theory that more money in the hands of "job creators" would mean more jobs. This ignored the fact that many of those "job creators" spent their tax break money on themselves and/or sending what used to be American jobs to third-world countries. And China. This is yet another thing that George Bush The Younger learned from his political idol. We're still paying for that mess, too.

Reagan got America involved directly in Grenada. He also financed the anti-communist wars in Nicaragua and El Salvadore, among other places. In the process, Reagan financed real-life death squads and violations of just about every human right imaginable, then looked the other way. Why? Because "Contras are our friends." More to the point, they were "not commies," which was his prime worry.

And just for funsies, Reagan ordered the bombing of Tripoli and Bengazzi in Libya as tit-for-tat revenge for the bombing of a night club in Germany, even though there was not sufficient proof that Libya was behind that attack.

In order to do that, Reagan financed his secret proxy wars with money he got from secretly trading arms with Iran -- our sworn enemy -- even though it was illegal. Then he hung Oliver North out to take the blame.

Speaking of funding terrorists, Reagan also funded the mujahideen -- including a young Usama bin Laden -- in Afghanistan because they were "fighting communists." He also financed Sadam Husseine, the dictator of Iraq, in his war with Iran because Iraq was "not Iranian." Guess who sponsored terrorism against the Untied Skates, and who oppressed his people so badly that George Bush The Younger went to war with him. Or did "The Shrub" fight Husseine becuse his daddy (Bush the Elder) went to war with Iraq to "liberate Kuwait" (whose royal family had oil-money ties to the Bush family), and because "Sadam tried to kill my father at one time."

Reagan's administration was involved in scandals that included:

• 1 Iran-Contra Affair (see above)
• 2 El Mozote Massacre (death squads run amok)
• 3 Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging (rigging low income housing project bids to favour Republican-owned companies)
• 4 Lobbying scandal (ex-Reagan staffers lied about using their connections to lobby Congress)
• 5 EPA scandals (favouring and protecting industry and special interest groups)
• 6 Inslaw Affair (failing to help a U.S. company fight software piracy)
• 7 Savings & loan crisis (bank failures followed by bank bailouts)
• 8 Debategate (stealing Jimmy Carter's debate information)
• 9 Firing Air Traffic Controllers (a union-busting tactic that removed all the experienced air traffic controllers in the country, thus reducing the efficiency and safety of the air traffic system. The air traffic controllers went on strike in protest of being overworked and having their stress-related health problems ignored.)

And a whole bunch of other things which, if Obama had done them, would have the resident "conservatives" around here demanding his removal from office.

A lot of people have forgotten about, Reagan is viewed as a "conservative hero" by some people. That's why they want him back in office, and "that [racial epithet deleted] out. But given the above, is Reagan really the great saint and saviour of the Republic people claim? Or was he even worse than Obama? And the mentor/role model for the Republican politicians and Republican presidents who followed him?

There are the facts and here is the web link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Administration

What say you to this?

[Minning Around]

Reagan was a clusterphuck for America. He was loved because he had a great personality but we're still paying the bill for his reign.

[Daryl Flynn]

[Zig al-din]

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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He looks like he just shat his drawers. As I'm sure he did frequently while in office. They should sell commemorative Reagan turds made from 24 karat gold. You lot would buy them up quick.  

[Daryl Flynn]

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Zig al-din wrote:

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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He looks like he just shat his drawers. As I'm sure he did frequently while in office. They should sell commemorative Reagan turds made from 24 karat gold. You lot would buy them up quick.  

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They'd be worth more than your Obama turds.

Notice there are no Democrats on that monument.

[Zig al-din]

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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Zig al-din wrote:

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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He looks like he just shat his drawers. As I'm sure he did frequently while in office. They should sell commemorative Reagan turds made from 24 karat gold. You lot would buy them up quick.  

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They'd be worth more than your Obama turds.

Notice there are no Democrats on that monument.

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Obama holds it all in trying to look and act Republican, which is why he's full of it. 

[Daryl Flynn]

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Zig al-din wrote:

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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Zig al-din wrote:

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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He looks like he just shat his drawers. As I'm sure he did frequently while in office. They should sell commemorative Reagan turds made from 24 karat gold. You lot would buy them up quick.  

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They'd be worth more than your Obama turds.

Notice there are no Democrats on that monument.

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Obama holds it all in trying to look and act Republican, which is why he's full of it. 

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On this we are in agreement.

[PFB]

I have a history book from the future, it is called:

The United States and Reaganomics: the Decline of an Empire 1980-2020

(how I learned to use massive debt, deregualtion and corruption, but not worry about it)

[Caulk Rocket]

Reagan is a myth (to both sides).

Hiked payroll taxes, cut and ran, and gave illegals amnesty.

Most staunch protectionist since Hoover. Should give conservatives chills and liberals a reason to like him. 

[GTRMAN]

Ugh... The monument at Mt Rushmore should be destroyed and the land returned to it's owners.

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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[yanktar]

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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Zig al-din wrote:

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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He looks like he just shat his drawers. As I'm sure he did frequently while in office. They should sell commemorative Reagan turds made from 24 karat gold. You lot would buy them up quick.  

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They'd be worth more than your Obama turds.

Notice there are no Democrats on that monument.

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Drama Queen Shane, Ignorant Idiot!

Jefferson was a Democrat.  Learn your history.  Jefferson's "Republican" party is the same party as the Democratic Party today...the same organization, over 200 years old--only the name has changed.

[Bowe]

If Reagan ran for president today, he'd be called a communist and ran out of the Republican party

near tripled the national debt
largest peacetime tax increase in American history
increase in gasoline tax
increase in SS tax rate
free emergency healthcare for everyone including illegals
amnesty for illegals
opposed attacks on gay rights when governor
raised the debt ceiling 18 times

[kav]

[TubeAddict]

Reagan's policies and their continuation are the principal cause for the destruction of the middle class and the economy along with it.

[55gibby]

Bad

[yanktar]

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TubeAddict wrote:
Reagan's policies and their continuation are the principal cause for the destruction of the middle class and the economy along with it.

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But,but, but Rush Limbaugh says they were great!

Isn't he a billionaire now, because he's paid between $50 and $100 million per year--or does he spend it all on drugs?

[Graeca]

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GTRMAN wrote:

Ugh... The monument at Mt Rushmore should be destroyed and the land returned to it's owners.

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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On this we are in agreement.

Also, it should be understood that by the middle of his 1st term, his Altzheimers had pretty much scrambles what few functional brain cells he'd been born with, so a lot of the criminal activities ascribed to him actually were committed by the guys pulling his puppet-strings...remember who they were?

[TubeAddict]

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yanktar wrote:

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TubeAddict wrote:
Reagan's policies and their continuation are the principal cause for the destruction of the middle class and the economy along with it.

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But,but, but Rush Limbaugh says they were great!

Isn't he a billionaire now, because he's paid between $50 and $100 million per year--or does he spend it all on drugs?

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"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995

[GTRMAN]

Cheney... Rumsfeld....

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Graeca wrote:

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GTRMAN wrote:

Ugh... The monument at Mt Rushmore should be destroyed and the land returned to it's owners.

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

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On this we are in agreement.

Also, it should be understood that by the middle of his 1st term, his Altzheimers had pretty much scrambles what few functional brain cells he'd been born with, so a lot of the criminal activities ascribed to him actually were comitted by the guys pulling his puppet-strings...remember who they were?

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[Malcolm Ramone]

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Bowe wrote:
If Reagan ran for president today, he'd be called a communist and ran out of the Republican party

near tripled the national debt
largest peacetime tax increase in American history
increase in gasoline tax
increase in SS tax rate
free emergency healthcare for everyone including illegals
amnesty for illegals
opposed attacks on gay rights when governor
raised the debt ceiling 18 times

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Damn LIBRUL! Getcha someone more to the right, like Obama!  -Adam