yanktar wrote:Sometimes I wonder JUST how dumb rwn oil advocates are.
In case you haven't noticed, public electricity isn't just produced from oil and coal. It's also produced by hydro dynamos, wind, solar and nuclear, yes, nukes. An electric car can be recharged TOTALLY by non-polluting means as we move more and more of our electric grid off fossil fuels.
While it takes more energy to release hydrogen and it's true it IS a storage medium, it doesn't matter if it takes more energy than it produces if, again, it is "created" using wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydro, nuclear, etc. IOW energies that are wasted every day unless we harness them. In fact, the intermittent sources can be "smoothed" by using hydrogen, which also doesn't pollute when it burns.
Sometimes I wonder JUST how dumb rwn oil advocates are.
In case you haven't noticed, public electricity isn't just produced from oil and coal.
U.S. power plants used renewable energy sources — water (hydroelectric), wood, wind, organic waste, geothermal, and sun — to generate about 13% of our electricity in 2011.
Most of the electricity in the United States is produced using steam turbines. Coal is the most common fuel for generating electricity in the United States. In 2011, 42% of the country's nearly 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity used coal as its source of energy.
Source: http://www.eia.gov/electricity/
100 - 13 = 87 percent of all energy production is from coal and oil.
Yes, even electric cars run on oil and coal because that is what produces the electricity that charges the batteries 87 percent of the time.
yanktar wroteorry, guys, but your Visconti = Wyn conspiracy theory just ran into another snag.
But they're still both colossal bat-shit-crazy right-wing-nut assholes so THAT equivalency remains.
Nobody seriously believes Visconti is anyone other than Scott Glover, do they? There is always the possibility that the forum is dumber than I thought.
Belva wrote:
normh wrote:
100 - 13 = 87 percent of all energy production is from coal and oil.
Wrong, bucko. Not sure of the nationwide numbers, but here in the Pac NW, nearly all of our electrickery is produced by hydro electric
How does that Volt run climbing Mt. Shasta? How does well does that Volt run on Winding Way in San Francisco?
There are pockets, and I was not speaking in particulars. Some areas are growing, but to go the other route; are not the Salmon having problems because they have a hard time navigating up river past the dams? How many other Aquatic eco systems are those dams destroying.
I am not arguing for or against dams and renewable. Rather, I am arguing that there is a balance that must be reached. People bitch about pollutants, but forget the eco system destruction of hydroelectric. Controversially, people rave about solar power, but either do not know, or overlook, the fact that the production of solar cells produces some of the most toxic pollutants known. Likewise others glow over wind power, yet forget that there are toxic pollutants produced in the production of the material used to make wind generators and also overlook that most wildlife will not adapt to windmills.
Balance is the key.
Zooey wrote:
yanktar wroteBut they're still both colossal bat-shit-crazy right-wing-nut assholes so THAT equivalency remains.
Nobody seriously believes Visconti is anyone other than Scott Glover, do they? There is always the possibility that the forum is dumber than I thought.
It's not the name as much as the category. Without delving into specifics, no matter who he is, he's an asshole. If there are two of them, they're BOTH assholes. That's the bottom line. You can look forward to confirmation of that over and over again.
normh wrote:100 - 13 = 87 percent of all energy production is from coal and oil.
Yes, even electric cars run on oil and coal because that is what produces the electricity that charges the batteries 87 percent of the time.
Wrong. You are pontificating condescendingly about a subject you know fuck all about.
Nuclear power alone produces about 20% of the total US electrical supply.
Pedaltones wrote:
normh wrote:100 - 13 = 87 percent of all energy production is from coal and oil.
Yes, even electric cars run on oil and coal because that is what produces the electricity that charges the batteries 87 percent of the time.
Wrong. You are pontificating condescendingly about a subject you know fuck all about.
Nuclear power alone produces about 20% of the total US electrical supply.
1. I lumped nuclear into coal and gas. I expected someone to call me on it; but,
2. Drive your Volt on radioactive isotopes.
normh wrote:
Pedaltones wrote:
normh wrote:100 - 13 = 87 percent of all energy production is from coal and oil.
Yes, even electric cars run on oil and coal because that is what produces the electricity that charges the batteries 87 percent of the time.
Wrong. You are pontificating condescendingly about a subject you know fuck all about.
Nuclear power alone produces about 20% of the total US electrical supply.
1. I lumped nuclear into coal and gas. I expected someone to call me on it; but,
2. Drive your Volt on radioactive isotopes.
1. Why? They are completely different energy sources. Will you say anything just to argue?
2. Can you expand on that smartarse comment please?
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