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[Marko]

Why would anyone pretend to like music they don’t like?


More curious, why would anyone presume someone else is pretending?

[Fred Fartboski]

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willy-b wrote:

I like jazz.  I think it works out best live though.  Yeah, there are some great recordings, but I think it's wayy wayy better in a live format.  I mean even more than other types of music.  I think just doing jazz from records can kind opf narrow things.  I've had friends that didn't think they liked azz til they went to see some live stuff

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I sort of see what you're saying. Classic jazz is improvisational. The players reacting to one another in real time, in the moment, during the tune.

It is best live. But then you had RVG who was able to record and capture a sense of that. Like a great photographer, like Ansel Adams.

[Easy Listener]

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Fred Fartboski wrote:

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willy-b wrote:

I like jazz.  I think it works out best live though.  Yeah, there are some great recordings, but I think it's wayy wayy better in a live format.  I mean even more than other types of music.  I think just doing jazz from records can kind opf narrow things.  I've had friends that didn't think they liked azz til they went to see some live stuff

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I sort of see what you're saying. Classic jazz is improvisational. The players reacting to one another in real time, in the moment, during the tune.

It is best live. But then you had RVG who was able to record and capture a sense of that. Like a great photographer, like Ansel Adams.

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I'm with both of you. Back in my high school and college days I loved playing in stage band. I also loved the concerts of famous big bands (Maynard Ferguson with the MIT boys was amazing). It is, for me, my favorite "live" music experience. That being said, I find myself gravitating to stuff like Frank Sinatra or even Kris Kristoferson on vinyl, and pop and new country when playing CD's or MP3's.

[Easy Listener]

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RogueGnome wrote:

I enjoy listening to jazz. It is pop music which I just cannot abide these days.

I don't care if I never hear another 18-24 year old female vocalist. I hate that shit. 

But then... I am old.

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I'm with you for the most part. However, I do really enjoy listening to some of it not for the vocalist, or even the lyrics, but the music. But I've never been into lyrics all that much anyway. I see the human voice as just another instrument that can give a song a certain Character. It's why Perry Como would never really give Born To Be Wild justice.

[Fred Fartboski]

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Easy Listener wrote:

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  That being said, I find myself gravitating to stuff like Frank Sinatra or even Kris Kristoferson on vinyl, and pop and new country when playing CD's or MP3's.

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Sinatra was a great interpreter.He had it easy. He had the singing talent and had all the the best songwriters writing for him.

Kristoferson was a great singer/songwriter.

[Easy Listener]

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Fred Fartboski wrote:

Sinatra was a great interpreter. Kristoferson was a great writer/interpreter.

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I like the way you put that. And I agree.

[guido61]

I like a lot of jazz.  No need to pretend.

[Fred Fartboski]

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Easy Listener wrote:

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Fred Fartboski wrote:

Sinatra was a great interpreter. Kristoferson was a great writer/interpreter.

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I like the way you put that. And I agree.

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I edited my quote and hope you still agree.

[moogerfooger]

yep -- jazz is best live 

[Rudolf von Hag…]

When you do not understand, or feel a Jazz tune, then omit the sevenths, and play triads, but only minor and major triads. Diminished triads and augmented triads are unhealthy for musically limited minds, and chords by seconds are a total no no for pop Heinies.

The catalogue of my record company has no such Jazz! Sorry radomu, even thus one album won #1 Gold Album of the Year 2010 in Japan.

[dblazer]

I like a lot of late 40's to late 50's jazz, after that people like Miles start to go over my head.

Some contemporary stuff, mostly acoustic, gets two thumbs up. I've been to see Eric Skye in his various projects 8-10 times since I moved up here.

[Easy Listener]

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Fred Fartboski wrote:

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Easy Listener wrote:

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Fred Fartboski wrote:

Sinatra was a great interpreter. Kristoferson was a great writer/interpreter.

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I like the way you put that. And I agree.

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I edited my quote and hope you still agree.

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Yes. I liked your use of the word "interpreter" for Sinatra. And, truth be told, Kristoferson is the writer so there is nothing for him to interpret. They are his words.

[1001gear]

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Rudolf von Hagenwil wrote:

When you do not understand, or feel a Jazz tune, then omit the sevenths, and play triads, but only minor and major triads. Diminished triads and augmented triads are unhealthy for musically limited minds, and chords by seconds are a total no no for pop Heinies.

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 This also makes the finest secret jazz. Vets only. Nod knowingly lest you be discovered.

I like less treacherous stuff. Pretend jazz is the best.

[Fred Fartboski]

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Easy Listener wrote:

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Yes. I liked your use of the word "interpreter" for Sinatra. And, truth be told, Kristofferson is the writer so there is nothing for him to interpret. They are his words.

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I agree, Sinatra is an interpreter. And a great one. I don't know that Sinatra wrote any of the songs he sang. Probably not.

Kiristoferson is a singer/songwriter.

[radomu]

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Marko wrote:
Why would anyone pretend to like music they don’t like?


More curious, why would anyone presume someone else is pretending?

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It's a common thing that men in the West seems to do. Because Jazz is now considered a genre that is, in some way, "advanced" or "classy", a lot of people seem to claim that they listen to it. It's not an objective category.

Jazz is never considered or categorized as part of anyone's "guilty pleasure", like a lot of people pretend they don't listen to the latest Katy Perry single. It's all dishonest, and I thought it's necessary to be honest about it and face the fact that you don't like something that many people claim they do.

[moogerfooger]

my guilty pleasure is  Chick Corea, Herby hancock, and Jimmy smith.  then there is jimmy smith with Wes Montgomery. did i mention Jimmy smith?   

[Rudolf von Hag…]

Some young people go to see a Jazz concert in the same way they go to a museum, to see something which doesn't exist anymore.

And now you pop blah blah youngsters, compose a symphony.

[willy-b]

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radomu wrote:

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Marko wrote:
Why would anyone pretend to like music they don’t like?


More curious, why would anyone presume someone else is pretending?

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It's a common thing that men in the West seems to do. Because Jazz is now considered a genre that is, in some way, "advanced" or "classy", a lot of people seem to claim that they listen to it. It's not an objective category.

Jazz is never considered or categorized as part of anyone's "guilty pleasure", like a lot of people pretend they don't listen to the latest Katy Perry single. It's all dishonest, and I thought it's necessary to be honest about it and face the fact that you don't like something that many people claim they do.

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You ust brought up the how it can be a "guilty pleasure" and talked about it in your first post :
 "Therefore, let us all stop pretend we actually listen to this stuff."

That perception that people are just pretentious and dishonest when they do

I was a little hesitant to weigh in that I listen to jazz for that reason.

[rbstern]

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radomu wrote:

Yeah, I just realized that the only "jazz" that I listen to and enjoy is Jeff Beck, Return to Forever, and Wes Montgomery.

Turns out I like jazz as much as like metal: I enjoy listening to some songs of a couple of artists.

Therefore, let us all stop pretend we actually listen to this stuff.

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Translation:  Your transcendental honesty makes  you even more hip than the people pretending to be hip.

Priceless.