Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

yumpy · ‎01-17-2013

pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son.

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

hes right...you are responsible for your self. if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime. even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.
son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs.
the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.
do you like apples?

It's not theoretical. The sheriff is a liar because he claimed that they can't respond adequately to 911 calls due to a under-manned workforce and lack of funding, according to YOU, and the only question now is his motive for doing so. The only difference between you and me (in this particular matter, because trust me, there are MANY differences) is that you agree with his message to such an extent that you are willing to ignore the means in which he gives his message.
ya, the message is that the 911 call won't be fast enough.

what are u. an idiot?

u probably call a plumber when your wife flushes to many pads. free roto-router.

what's that, every month?

Why are all the people I'm arguing with in this thread apparently incapable of basic grammar?

Let me try to make this as simple as possible, using as close to whatever language you and your ilk seem to be speaking.

Sheriff say no more respond quick to 911 because no more police or money.

People in thread say 911 take much time with or no with more police or money.
Sheriff and people in thread no be correct at same time. Sheriff or people in thread liar.

Me think people in thread just stupid, and sheriff liar. Sheriff push pro-gun agenda and/or want more money.

Me brain hurt from communicate at your level, me stop now.

fuck u and ur gramma. (both)

i'm sure u r a rhodes scholar, in language and penmanship.

hey douchebag! i'm wearing socks with sandels! u the fashion police too?

.

yumpy · ‎01-17-2013

pink freud wrote:
NOS68 wrote:
willhaven wrote:
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.
MORON LABIA
With figures like that you'd think rural area's of the country where just about every house has at least one firearm would be a wash in blood. But yet they're not.

Again, failure in statistics.
1) The amount of firearms wasn't involved, simply the presence of at least one.
2) Rural areas may have a larger percentage of gun ownership, but not nearly the hard number of gun owners. A percentage chance of something happening to a random person in a low population density is a lower hard number than that of a random person in a high population density. 20% does not guarantee 1 in 5, but it nearly guarantess 10,000 in 50,000.

ya, your failure in stats.

fukin read it again and figure it out.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

willhaven wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
willhaven wrote:
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.
MORON LABIA
once your remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime, we have the murder rate of holland.

please post your citations.
'Sup, bitch?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann#1993
45.4% of all victims of homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home
57.7% of victims of firearm homicides lived in a home where one or more guns were kept (correction to original paper)
other protective measures, (reinforced doors, deadbolts, burglar alarms, and bars on the windows) were associated with small (about 0.8 times) reductions in risk of homicide in the home
after adjusting for other factors (such as a police-report history of violence in the home, a convicted felon in the home, drug or alcohol abuse in the home, race, etc.) there remained an independent 2.7 times increase in risk of homicide, specifically associated with a firearm in the home; this risk was not attributable to any particular "high risk" subgroup(s) identifiable by the above factors but was evident to some degree in all subgroups
this risk was essentially entirely attributable to being shot by a family member or intimate acquaintance with a handgun which was kept loaded and unlocked in the house
this risk was significantly less than the increased risk due to sociological factors (rental of a home instead of ownership, living alone) but close to that associated with the presence of a convicted felon in the home (see table at right).

i think you kinda made my point. one study. simply owning a gun doesnt mean much, but those who would commit a crime like murder will take advantage of this weapon..

i guess if you are worried about someone in your home that you know killing you...dont leave an unlockedp, loaded weapon around.

that increase is modest, btw. so by your logic...are we to ban home renters....if it just saves one life its worth it, right? Maybe we can ban convicted felons next...hows that sound.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son.

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

hes right...you are responsible for your self. if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime. even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.
son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs.
the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.
do you like apples?

It's not theoretical. The sheriff is a liar because he claimed that they can't respond adequately to 911 calls due to a under-manned workforce and lack of funding, according to YOU, and the only question now is his motive for doing so. The only difference between you and me (in this particular matter, because trust me, there are MANY differences) is that you agree with his message to such an extent that you are willing to ignore the means in which he gives his message.

ha. im not saying he cant respond because hes understaffed...im saying the BASELINE for leo,s is that they arent there to protect you. thats the status quo.

next time you see a crime in commision, look around and see if theres a cop. even if its as routine as rolling through a stop sign...there wont be a cop around.

cops take reports after crimes have occured. they almost never catch and stop one in progress. is this news? what if nobody can dial 911?

i see assualt victims nearly daily, think they all forgot to call 911? gtfo.

btw most leos will tell you this...just ask them and drop huff po.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

onelife · ‎08-14-2005

Davo17 wrote:
....if it just saves onelife its worth it, right? ...

It's certainly worth it to me. grin wave

you can't control the wind but you can learn to sail

contentment is true wealth

\

onelife · ‎08-14-2005

Davo17 wrote:
i see assualt victims nearly daily,

I'm sure glad I don't live where you do.

you can't control the wind but you can learn to sail

contentment is true wealth

\

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

onelife wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
once your remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime, we have the murder rate of holland.
I fail to see how that is relevant.
If you "remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime" you would have a much better society but you have not done so.
It looks like you will keep on killing yourselves while you argue about the right to keep and bear arms.

damn so close. you were at the fork in the road...between logic and emotion...and chose emotion.
this entire gun control debate is framed under the premise that these shootings need to stop. the vast majority are from thugs, or psych pts.
a few percent dont are outliers...and you decide to go there? its not going to be effective. what it will do is disarm law abiding citizens.
you chose a band aid over definitive solutions. hows that feel, since you like feeling so much?

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
what does it matter?

Some people care about underlying motives.

first addres the point, than speculate on motives. libs and children seem to think speculation over motives trumps all. not in grown up world.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

NOS68 wrote:
willhaven wrote:
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.
MORON LABIA
With figures like that you'd think rural area's of the country where just about every house has at least one firearm would be a wash in blood. But yet they're not.

he idiot makes the outragous claim, then proudly links to stats that prove him off.

idiots like this are intentionally trying to muddy the waters...as based on its merits gun control is a losing issue.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son.

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

hes right...you are responsible for your self. if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime. even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.
son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs.
the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.
do you like apples?

It's not theoretical. The sheriff is a liar because he claimed that they can't respond adequately to 911 calls due to a under-manned workforce and lack of funding, according to YOU, and the only question now is his motive for doing so. The only difference between you and me (in this particular matter, because trust me, there are MANY differences) is that you agree with his message to such an extent that you are willing to ignore the means in which he gives his message.
ya, the message is that the 911 call won't be fast enough.

what are u. an idiot?

u probably call a plumber when your wife flushes to many pads. free roto-router.

what's that, every month?

Why are all the people I'm arguing with in this thread apparently incapable of basic grammar?

Let me try to make this as simple as possible, using as close to whatever language you and your ilk seem to be speaking.

Sheriff say no more respond quick to 911 because no more police or money.

People in thread say 911 take much time with or no with more police or money.
Sheriff and people in thread no be correct at same time. Sheriff or people in thread liar.

Me think people in thread just stupid, and sheriff liar. Sheriff push pro-gun agenda and/or want more money.

Me brain hurt from communicate at your level, me stop now.
fuck u and ur gramma. (both)

i'm sure u r a rhodes scholar, in language and penmanship.
hey douchebag! i'm wearing socks with sandels! u the fashion police too?
.

translation: ive abandoned my argument and moved on to spelling.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

pink freud · ‎08-23-2005

Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
what does it matter?

Some people care about underlying motives.
first addres the point, than speculate on motives. libs and children seem to think speculation over motives trumps all. not in grown up world.

I addressed the point that THE SHERIFF IS FUCKING LYING BY YOUR GUYS' OWN FUCKING LOGIC.

YOU people are the ones that have given the logic that labels the sheriff a liar, but because you are too fucking busy masturbating yourselfs with firearms that you are too much a pussy to go against your pathetic narrrative and call him out on his bullshit.

You all have the same amount of integrity as Visconti.

http://www.last.fm/user/pinkfreudHC

pink freud · ‎08-23-2005

Davo17 wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son.

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

hes right...you are responsible for your self. if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime. even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.
son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs.
the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.
do you like apples?

It's not theoretical. The sheriff is a liar because he claimed that they can't respond adequately to 911 calls due to a under-manned workforce and lack of funding, according to YOU, and the only question now is his motive for doing so. The only difference between you and me (in this particular matter, because trust me, there are MANY differences) is that you agree with his message to such an extent that you are willing to ignore the means in which he gives his message.
ya, the message is that the 911 call won't be fast enough.

what are u. an idiot?

u probably call a plumber when your wife flushes to many pads. free roto-router.

what's that, every month?

Why are all the people I'm arguing with in this thread apparently incapable of basic grammar?

Let me try to make this as simple as possible, using as close to whatever language you and your ilk seem to be speaking.

Sheriff say no more respond quick to 911 because no more police or money.

People in thread say 911 take much time with or no with more police or money.
Sheriff and people in thread no be correct at same time. Sheriff or people in thread liar.

Me think people in thread just stupid, and sheriff liar. Sheriff push pro-gun agenda and/or want more money.

Me brain hurt from communicate at your level, me stop now.
fuck u and ur gramma. (both)

i'm sure u r a rhodes scholar, in language and penmanship.
hey douchebag! i'm wearing socks with sandels! u the fashion police too?
.

translation: ive abandoned my argument and moved on to spelling.

Factually false, as is evident by the very post you have quoted, making you even worse a liar than the sheriff.

http://www.last.fm/user/pinkfreudHC

Fred Fartboski · ‎12-06-2005

Man! The quote function really needs to be fixed.

Last edited by Fred Fartboski : Today at...

notgonnadoit · ‎02-18-2002

Political ploy to create hysteria, motivated by a desire create support for more funding.

rushtallica · ‎02-10-2004

yumpy wrote:
ya, like newtown?

what the fuck, dude?

what math? 1 fuckin' incedent and it's all, "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUMPTHIN!!!!"

I don't know what happened with my reply, but these quotes are difficult to cut down to just one. Anyway, assuming this edit will show what I type this time:

Do people actually believe all this was over only one incident? School shootings have been becoming more common, and mass shootings and completely avoidable stupid deadly mistakes involving firearms have been becoming more common, as well.

I'm not against responsible gun ownership, but there are obviously way too many people who have no business being around guns or who at least need to learn more about gun safety who have easy access to them, so it'd be nice if there was something that could be done to more properly secure and store guns over eventually doing what many gun owners are afraid of in the way of 'taking away' all the guns.

Great transactions: -Juggernaut-, Beergoblin, Boris the Blade, Guttermouth, Tubesteakfortone, thriftyshirt, craftswitch, negative theory, and dethmetalanimal

Originally Posted by isvoid

triumphs, be them big or small, it all distills down to that

~Confucious say, Man who stands on toilet is high on pot~

yumpy · ‎01-17-2013

pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son.

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

hes right...you are responsible for your self. if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime. even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.
son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs.
the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.
do you like apples?

It's not theoretical. The sheriff is a liar because he claimed that they can't respond adequately to 911 calls due to a under-manned workforce and lack of funding, according to YOU, and the only question now is his motive for doing so. The only difference between you and me (in this particular matter, because trust me, there are MANY differences) is that you agree with his message to such an extent that you are willing to ignore the means in which he gives his message.
ya, the message is that the 911 call won't be fast enough.

what are u. an idiot?

u probably call a plumber when your wife flushes to many pads. free roto-router.

what's that, every month?

Why are all the people I'm arguing with in this thread apparently incapable of basic grammar?

Let me try to make this as simple as possible, using as close to whatever language you and your ilk seem to be speaking.

Sheriff say no more respond quick to 911 because no more police or money.

People in thread say 911 take much time with or no with more police or money.
Sheriff and people in thread no be correct at same time. Sheriff or people in thread liar.

Me think people in thread just stupid, and sheriff liar. Sheriff push pro-gun agenda and/or want more money.

Me brain hurt from communicate at your level, me stop now.
fuck u and ur gramma. (both)

i'm sure u r a rhodes scholar, in language and penmanship.
hey douchebag! i'm wearing socks with sandels! u the fashion police too?
.

translation: ive abandoned my argument and moved on to spelling.

Factually false, as is evident by the very post you have quoted, making you even worse a liar than the sheriff.

sure. i bet u even listened to him. right?

u did, didn't u?

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
yumpy wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage. Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.

Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.
what does it matter?

Some people care about underlying motives.
first addres the point, than speculate on motives. libs and children seem to think speculation over motives trumps all. not in grown up world.

I addressed the point that THE SHERIFF IS FUCKING LYING BY YOUR GUYS' OWN FUCKING LOGIC.

YOU people are the ones that have given the logic that labels the sheriff a liar, but because you are too fucking busy masturbating yourselfs with firearms that you are too much a pussy to go against your pathetic narrrative and call him out on his bullshit.

You all have the same amount of integrity as Visconti.

first off you sound like a lady now. stop crying.

secondly, what fucking lying are you talking about? why the fuck does my logic matter in whats the truth? show me the fucking money.

lastly, you sound some sort of woman.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

Davo17 · ‎03-24-2009

notgonnadoit wrote:
Political ploy to create hysteria, motivated by a desire create support for more funding.

why dont you support your local police? lemme guess, YOU know better, huh liberal guy?

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.

yumpy · ‎01-17-2013

Davo17 wrote:
notgonnadoit wrote:
Political ploy to create hysteria, motivated by a desire create support for more funding.
why dont you support your local police? lemme guess, YOU know better, huh liberal guy?

i say, print out all the libs and their addresses with maps.

also the people that DON'T own guns.

willhaven · ‎05-27-2007

Davo17 wrote:
willhaven wrote:
Davo17 wrote:
willhaven wrote:
A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.
MORON LABIA
once your remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime, we have the murder rate of holland.

please post your citations.
'Sup, bitch?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann#1993
45.4% of all victims of homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home
57.7% of victims of firearm homicides lived in a home where one or more guns were kept (correction to original paper)
other protective measures, (reinforced doors, deadbolts, burglar alarms, and bars on the windows) were associated with small (about 0.8 times) reductions in risk of homicide in the home
after adjusting for other factors (such as a police-report history of violence in the home, a convicted felon in the home, drug or alcohol abuse in the home, race, etc.) there remained an independent 2.7 times increase in risk of homicide, specifically associated with a firearm in the home; this risk was not attributable to any particular "high risk" subgroup(s) identifiable by the above factors but was evident to some degree in all subgroups
this risk was essentially entirely attributable to being shot by a family member or intimate acquaintance with a handgun which was kept loaded and unlocked in the house
this risk was significantly less than the increased risk due to sociological factors (rental of a home instead of ownership, living alone) but close to that associated with the presence of a convicted felon in the home (see table at right).
i think you kinda made my point. one study. simply owning a gun doesnt mean much, but those who would commit a crime like murder will take advantage of this weapon..

i guess if you are worried about someone in your home that you know killing you...dont leave an unlockedp, loaded weapon around.

that increase is modest, btw. so by your logic...are we to ban home renters....if it just saves one life its worth it, right? Maybe we can ban convicted felons next...hows that sound.

Too dumb to count to three?

2.7 times increase of firearm homicide is modest?

If we ban home renters, you'll be stuck in an apartment forever with your inability to count to three.

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