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Hoddy
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Registered: ‎08-31-2006

Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. has a message for residents in his jurisdiction: You can't rely on him anymore. You need to arm yourself.

On Friday, the nominally Democratic sheriff issued a recorded public safety announcement on the radio and on the Web that encouraged residents to take their lives into their own hands.

Here's the full transcript:

"I'm Sheriff David Clarke and I want to talk to you about something personal: your safety. It's no longer a spectator sport; I need you in the game. But are you ready? With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared? Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there. You have a duty to protect yourself and your family."

Crime is relatively rare in Clarke's jurisdiction: In 2010, the Sheriff's Department reported two burglaries, nine robberies and zero murders. (Preliminary data from 2012 were not available, and it's not clear if the department submitted its crime statistics to the FBI for 2011.)

Also rare are justifiable homicides in the U.S.: About 260 private citizens lawfully killed someone committing a felony in 2011, or less than one case per every 1 million people in the nation.

Clarke's announcement has nonetheless tapped into a raw current in American politics over the role guns play in a civil society, which has occasioned some slightly less-than-civil discourse.

"Apparently, Sheriff David Clarke is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie," Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett's office said in a statement.

That remark drew this retort from Clarke: "Several years ago, a tire-iron-wielding suspect beat Mayor Tom Barrett to within inches of his life. I would think that he would be a lot more sensitive to people being able to defend themselves in such instances. A firearm and a plan of defense would have come in handy for him that day."

Barrett was calling 911 to report a fight when the suspect batted the phone out of his hand and began to beat him, according to a police report; the suspect, Anthony Peters, claimed to have a gun, but didn't.

Clarke has been Milwaukee County's sheriff since 2002 and, running as a Democrat, easily rolled to reelection. His remarks, however, have earned him praise among conservatives, and he has occasionally flirted with the tea party.

In the days after the December shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Clarke again raised the proverbial call to arms in an Op-Ed article on a tea party website.

In those remarks, Clarke said gun control advocates were "sheep" and called for "an armed tactical trained officer or security officer in every school and public place [theaters, malls, etc.] in America."

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-milwaukee-county-sheriff-guns-20130128,0,78549...

 

I like what this guy has to say!

I'd totally do the one in the middle, Is she legal?



Kind'a old. But if you're passing through New York give me a call



Oh, sorry. I assumed she was stupid for being your wife




Right now you sound like a whiny bitch. So you're probably Hoddy's wife.




It really does look like it's Hoddy's stupid wife

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Daryl Flynn
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

Somebody breaks into my home I'll be phoning the cops while I'm cleaning them off the wall. 

 

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Hoddy
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Daryl Flynn wrote:

Somebody breaks into my home I'll be phoning the cops while I'm cleaning them off the wall. 

 


fire

I'd totally do the one in the middle, Is she legal?



Kind'a old. But if you're passing through New York give me a call



Oh, sorry. I assumed she was stupid for being your wife




Right now you sound like a whiny bitch. So you're probably Hoddy's wife.




It really does look like it's Hoddy's stupid wife

PM me for the author of those quotes










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fretmess
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Hoddy wrote:

Daryl Flynn wrote:

Somebody breaks into my home I'll be phoning the cops while I'm cleaning them off the wall. 

 


fire


Coleman lantern users could have a need for both.

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Hoddy
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


fretmess wrote:

Hoddy wrote:

Daryl Flynn wrote:

Somebody breaks into my home I'll be phoning the cops while I'm cleaning them off the wall. 

 


fire


Coleman lantern users could have a need for both.


I have plenty of both!

I'd totally do the one in the middle, Is she legal?



Kind'a old. But if you're passing through New York give me a call



Oh, sorry. I assumed she was stupid for being your wife




Right now you sound like a whiny bitch. So you're probably Hoddy's wife.




It really does look like it's Hoddy's stupid wife

PM me for the author of those quotes










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gtrjones
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

What possible reason would someone in the 'security business' have for spreading fear among his 'customers'?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' "
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pink freud
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.
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Hoddy
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


gtrjones wrote:

What possible reason would someone in the 'security business' have for spreading fear among his 'customers'?


So you're saying democrats are fear mongers...got it.

I'd totally do the one in the middle, Is she legal?



Kind'a old. But if you're passing through New York give me a call



Oh, sorry. I assumed she was stupid for being your wife




Right now you sound like a whiny bitch. So you're probably Hoddy's wife.




It really does look like it's Hoddy's stupid wife

PM me for the author of those quotes










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pink freud
Posts: 39,433
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Hoddy wrote:

gtrjones wrote:

What possible reason would someone in the 'security business' have for spreading fear among his 'customers'?


So you're saying democrats are fear mongers...got it.


 

Speaking of bullshit hyperbole...

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Davo17
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.

statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage.  Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

 

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

Principles of Personal Defense -- Jeff Cooper

 

read it, pdf available

Originally pontificated by Used2BMarkoh --
"It's the modern idolatry"

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FRATERNAL ORDER OF VHT
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"The Whole World Shines Shit and Calls it Gold" -- Michael Steintorf
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.

statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage.  Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

 

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.


 

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.


Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

 

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.

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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.

MORON LABIA

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"Senators say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them."- Gabrielle Giffords


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Davo17
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


pink freud wrote:

Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.

statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage.  Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

 

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.


 

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.


Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

 

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.


hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son. 

 

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

 

hes right...you are responsible for your self.    if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

 

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime.  even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.
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Davo17
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Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


willhaven wrote:

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.

MORON LABIA


once your remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime, we have the murder rate of holland.

 

please post your citations.

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.
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pink freud
Posts: 39,433
Registered: ‎08-23-2005

Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:

Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.

statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage.  Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

 

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.


 

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.


Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

 

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.


hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son. 

 

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

 

hes right...you are responsible for your self.    if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

 

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime.  even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.


 

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.

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Davo17
Posts: 26,742
Registered: ‎03-24-2009

Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


pink freud wrote:

Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:

Davo17 wrote:

pink freud wrote:
Political grandstanding instead of statistically valid advice, given that with his jurisdiction's reported crimes a single officer could take care of it all.

I wish both sides of this debate would cut out the bullshit hyperbole.

statistically the cops wont be there when u need them...and if the bay guy is in your home or within reach of you...they have already got the advantage.  Cops take reports and gather evidence after the crime has occcured.

 

this officer elequently highlights the TRUTH....YOU ARE RESPONSiBLE for you and your familes safety.


 

Sorry, but what you are (attempting, I assume, as you have horrible spelling/grammar) saying doesn't hold true with the logic presented by this sherrif. He is claiming due to a shortage of police/budget that they will no longer be able to protect people should the need arise. Logically this means that he claims that when there were/are more police they can respond to 911 calls in a more timely manner. This runs counter to your claim in which the amount of police is irrelevant to response time.


Let us pretend that your claim is true. What we have here then is a veiled attempt to frighten people into providing more funding for his department, otherwise he would have never mentioned his workforce or budget at all.

 

Either way you look at it, this sherrif is being disingenuous in some manner.


hey idiot im a medic and would never claim that the amount of cops, or other emergency services doesnt impact eta. dont put words in my mouth, son. 

 

its interesing that you consider this a threat, but when cities blow money, then take it out of teachers or firefighters funds, in order to make an appeal to emotion, and increase revenue that its ok.

 

hes right...you are responsible for your self.    if you want to count on a cop...you might very well be giving him a description after the crime.

 

you are confusing a rapid response with the prevention of crime.  even with more cops, criminals get to pick the time and place of their crimes...and they dont do it when there are cops nearby.


 

I'm dealing with the facts as stated. I'm sure your extensive training on making sure blood stays on the inside more than the outside gives you great insight into logic problems, which is what I was talking about. Your status as a medic also doesn't mean you literally know what the fuck you are talking about. Again, it's logic, and you have shown time and again that you are incapable of utilizing it.


son im arguing reality against your theoretical bs. 

the real deal vs what you read in new yorker magazine.

do you like apples? 

DSM-IV 301.95 Progressive Personality Disorder
A. A pervasive pattern of progressive political and inter-personal thought and action, rooted in discredited leftist (neo-Marxist) beliefs, beginning in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by at least five of the following (individual must be at least 18 years of age to qualify for the diagnosis of Progressive Personality Disorder, as many of the criteria are age-appropriate for adolescents). This disorder often coexists with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
Anti-theistic rebellion: An emotional antagonism to the Judeo-Christian tradition, rooted in an abnormal persistence of adolescent rebellion (may also be related to the need to avoid counter-arguments that would question utopian, anthroplastic ideation). This behavior ranges from a mere antagonism to Christianity to a hatred of all forms of religion. The rejection of religion leads to a deep longing for a substitute religion, or in extreme cases, a messiah. The more Western a religion is, the more it is despised. Thus, these patients may openly accept more primitive pantheistic, neo-pagan, or animist belief systems, such as Wicca or fraudulent "new age" philosophies, e.g., Deepak Chopra, Tony Robbins, etc.
Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.
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willhaven
Posts: 18,327
Registered: ‎05-27-2007

Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

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Davo17 wrote:

willhaven wrote:

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used against someone in the home than to defend those within the home.

MORON LABIA


once your remove deaths from suicide (which gun bans dont curtail), or drug and gang crime, we have the murder rate of holland.

 

please post your citations.


'Sup, bitch?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann#1993

  • 45.4% of all victims of homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home
  • 57.7% of victims of firearm homicides lived in a home where one or more guns were kept (correction to original paper)
  • other protective measures, (reinforced doors, deadbolts, burglar alarms, and bars on the windows) were associated with small (about 0.8 times) reductions in risk of homicide in the home
  • after adjusting for other factors (such as a police-report history of violence in the home, a convicted felon in the home, drug or alcohol abuse in the home, race, etc.) there remained an independent 2.7 times increase in risk of homicide, specifically associated with a firearm in the home; this risk was not attributable to any particular "high risk" subgroup(s) identifiable by the above factors but was evident to some degree in all subgroups
  • this risk was essentially entirely attributable to being shot by a family member or intimate acquaintance with a handgun which was kept loaded and unlocked in the house
  • this risk was significantly less than the increased risk due to sociological factors (rental of a home instead of ownership, living alone) but close to that associated with the presence of a convicted felon in the home (see table at right).

Obama Deal With It

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"Senators say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them."- Gabrielle Giffords


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fretmess
Posts: 4,045
Registered: ‎06-06-2003

Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!


Hoddy wrote:

fretmess wrote:

Hoddy wrote:

Daryl Flynn wrote:

Somebody breaks into my home I'll be phoning the cops while I'm cleaning them off the wall. 

 


fire


Coleman lantern users could have a need for both.


I have plenty of both!


Bet you're some kinda Boy Scout.

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Belva
Posts: 24,201
Registered: ‎09-21-2008

Re: Milwaukee County sheriff: Don't wait for the police; arm yourselves!

This sheriff is talking about his jurisdiction. Response times are going to vary from one city/town to the next. Trying to extrapolate this into a nation wide reality is ludicrous at best. That said, it's up to every individual to determine what is best for them. I have guns in my home. I also would probably not see a member of law enforcement for at least 20 minutes if I were to dial 911 right now,. I also realize that, living in the country, the likelihood of a burglar trying to break in is slim to none. I also have a pair of 4 legged alarm systems that never need more than food and a pet. But that's MY situation. Anybody who doesn't size up their own situation is a fool who deserves to be robbed
They say dogs can smell fear. People must have fear coming outa their butts
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