yanktar wrote:Breaking into a gun shop? And the guns in the shop weren't put away in a gun safe or at least locked down? Were these brain-jobs going to use the guns to stick up a cop bar?
Either the gun shop owner is an idiot, or this is a shagggy dog story. Every jewelery store owner puts his stock in the safe every night.
What, you have a short attention span? The shop owner has a silent alarm and he lives in the same building. That's a de facto safe. I'd say the idiocy is somewhere right at this forum.
moonlightin wrote:
madryan wrote:
moonlightin wrote:Thank you for showing why I think rfid chips should be installed in these suckers. And if this couple hadn't heard anything, them having a gun would not have mattered.
What exacly would RFID chips do?
I'm asking this as a serious question. Every weapon in the US is already serialized and RFID doesn't have any sort of real range. Plus, RFID chips would be easy to remove.
I'm curious.
Well, it's going to sound kind of big brotherish unless a mutual situation or creative situation agreeable to all could be found. Some sort of long range tracking device applied to guns that can be activated if they are stolen or active until after an owner acquires it, goes through the checks, etc. If it's stolen, owner calls the cops, they get the info, chip activated. Back street sellers etc couldn't have the guns. Removal of chip/tracking device would garner a huge fine and removal of the weapon. JUST that weapon though. Private sllers could still deal but they would have to show some sort of bill of sale etc for the weapon.
Belva wrote:
I'm not against the idea of chips in new guns. But a couple in my collection of family heirlooms WILL NEVER be chipped. They have a small amount of collector's value. And personal value as well. My .30 Remington model 14 was given to me and my father and grandfather taught me how to shoot using that gun. It will not be molested
Family heirloom stuff could either get a pass or an external chip attached in some way that would not harm the value and not be permanent?
IMO it's too easy to defeat the technology.
Better just to table any talk of silly bans or restrictions on law abiding owners and instead pass a national registry with an enforceable Federal Felony which automatically attaches to anyone caught with an unregistered firearm.
You could exempt C&R's which would take care of most heirlooms and relics and really, who uses their old 100 year old whatever in a crime anyway.
Let people own whatever they want as long as it's registered and transfered via a dealer instead of privately sold.
Originally Posted by Elemenope
John Ellis wrote:
madryan wrote:
moonlightin wrote:
madryan wrote:
moonlightin wrote:Thank you for showing why I think rfid chips should be installed in these suckers. And if this couple hadn't heard anything, them having a gun would not have mattered.
What exacly would RFID chips do?
I'm asking this as a serious question. Every weapon in the US is already serialized and RFID doesn't have any sort of real range. Plus, RFID chips would be easy to remove.
I'm curious.
Well, it's going to sound kind of big brotherish unless a mutual situation or creative situation agreeable to all could be found. Some sort of long range tracking device applied to guns that can be activated if they are stolen or active until after an owner acquires it, goes through the checks, etc. If it's stolen, owner calls the cops, they get the info, chip activated. Back street sellers etc couldn't have the guns. Removal of chip/tracking device would garner a huge fine and removal of the weapon. JUST that weapon though. Private sllers could still deal but they would have to show some sort of bill of sale etc for the weapon.
Belva wrote:
I'm not against the idea of chips in new guns. But a couple in my collection of family heirlooms WILL NEVER be chipped. They have a small amount of collector's value. And personal value as well. My .30 Remington model 14 was given to me and my father and grandfather taught me how to shoot using that gun. It will not be molested
Family heirloom stuff could either get a pass or an external chip attached in some way that would not harm the value and not be permanent?
IMO it's too easy to defeat the technology.
Better just to table any talk of silly bans or restrictions on law abiding owners and instead pass a national registry with an enforceable Federal Felony which automatically attaches to anyone caught with an unregistered firearm.
You could exempt C&R's which would take care of most heirlooms and relics and really, who uses their old 100 year old whatever in a crime anyway.
Let people own whatever they want as long as it's registered and transfered via a dealer instead of privately sold.
Or, we could leave people the fuck alone until they actually break the law.........:idea:
The problem is, the jackasses who are screwing it up for everyone, that is the criminals, are blowing the statistics.
I'm cool with a registry and I'm cool with getting the fucking book thrown at you if you commit a crime with an unregistered firearm with a couple of things...
1) They loosen up what law abiding folks can have as long as it's registered. Basically get rid of the previous Federal level restrictions.
2) Get rid of all the petty shit like the War on Drugs so our prisions aren't clogged with folks in on possession charges.
Hoddy wrote:
yanktar wrote:
gspointer wrote:
yanktar wrote:Breaking into a gun shop? And the guns in the shop weren't put away in a gun safe or at least locked down? Were these brain-jobs going to use the guns to stick up a cop bar?
Either the gun shop owner is an idiot, or this is a shagggy dog story. Every jewelery store owner puts his stock in the safe every night.
You know, I drove by a car-lot last night. AND THEY HAD LEFT THE CARS OUT!!!
Many gunstores do there best to make the store a "vault", but moving all of the guns and securing them in a safe daily is just not realistic for most shops.
Yeah, I saw that too, and grabbed one and stuffed it in a shoulder bag and tossed it in the trunk.
Oh, wait. Maybe not. It weighed 4000 and was over 15' long and nearly 7' wide. Didn't fit in a shoulder bag and I'm not The Incredible Hulk. I cannot pick up an automobile like it was a rifle.
Dumb-ass.
Can you provide any non-anecdotal examples of gun shops who put their inventory in a safe every evening?
He's a stupid fucking idiot. The owner has a silent alarm. He lives on the premises. Uh, that's how he managed to shoot the bad guys. But yankoff is too stoopid to figure that out. He wants this guy to move all his guns nightly into a safe. Hey yankdick, y'ever been in a gun store? They usually have more than just a few. Possibly, looking at the outside of the bldg, a hundred or more. Pull your head outa yerass.
Instead of putting the guns in a safe, which is just plain stoopid, he prolly will do something to make getting to the guns a bit more difficult. Something like lockable wrought iron doors so customers could still see the display. If he had something like that, the criminals would've either gone somewhere else or it woulda taken them longer. Then the store owner coulda kilt all 3.
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