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[sporter]

I look forward to new legislation introduced by republicans to help eradicate this problem.

[coyote-1]

In order to preserve their freedom to have 30 shots instead of seven, and to keep hard limits on government tyranny, the gun nuts are ready to hand over to government the power to incarcerate, against their will, millions of Americans who, as of yet, have committed no crime whatsoever.

Freedumb.

[Mickaroony]

The NRA must be really serious about mental health considering they hired a nutcase to be their spokesperson - one assumes this was a brilliant move to demonstrate to the public the sheer magnitude of the problem.

[Belva]

Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.

[Caulk Rocket]

NRA idiots - They should have been armed!

Liberal idiots - But, but... NUCLEAR BOMBS!


Americans are idiots.

[Invisible Hand]

Ban the mentally ill!

[Zig al-din]

That would be everyone...

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Invisible Hand wrote:

Ban the mentally ill!

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[tequila_titan]

We need to ban guns.

[quickie1]

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Caulk Rocket wrote:
NRA idiots - They should have been armed!

Liberal idiots - But, but... NUCLEAR BOMBS!


Americans are idiots.

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Again....you mislead. I have never used the Nuclear Bombs argument. I have some common sense. Again...you seem to mock people as part of your argument.

You are way above this and I am guessing you are being sarcastic.

[Jack Walker]

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coyote-1 wrote:
In order to preserve their freedom to have 30 shots instead of seven, and to keep hard limits on government tyranny, the gun nuts are ready to hand over to government the power to incarcerate, against their will, millions of Americans who, as of yet, have committed no crime whatsoever.

Freedumb.

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Who pray tell would be incarcerated? We need these people in a national registry so they can't buy guns or have access to them.Is that locking them up or are you practicing Liberal Lying 101...again? 

[BA.Barcolounger]

<blockquote> Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.</blockquote>

Nope. In order to have your ability to pass a background check removed, a person needs to be "adjudicated" mentally I'll, by a court. Simply having a mental health diagnosis is not a bar against buying a gun.

[quickie1]

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BA.Barcolounger wrote:
<blockquote> Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.</blockquote>

Nope. In order to have your ability to pass a background check removed, a person needs to be "adjudicated" mentally I'll, by a court. Simply having a mental health diagnosis is not a bar against buying a gun.

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And I disagree with this....especially when it comes to threats of violence or suicide.

[Zig al-din]

When there's a shooting in a white neighborhood, it's a media extravaganza and it's about mental health. When it's a black neighborhood, it's ignored or treated like a criminal act. 

[mdwagner73]

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Jack Walker wrote:

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coyote-1 wrote:
In order to preserve their freedom to have 30 shots instead of seven, and to keep hard limits on government tyranny, the gun nuts are ready to hand over to government the power to incarcerate, against their will, millions of Americans who, as of yet, have committed no crime whatsoever.

Freedumb.

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Who pray tell would be incarcerated? We need these people in a national registry so they can't buy guns or have access to them.Is that locking them up or are you practicing Liberal Lying 101...again? 

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What good would that do if the person already owns a gun before they are diagnosed?  It makes far more sense to register guns than people.  Then, if someone is diagnosed with some sort of dangerous mental illness, we can check the registry to see if that person or someone in that person's house has a gun.

[madryan]

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coyote-1 wrote:
In order to preserve their freedom to have 30 shots instead of seven, and to keep hard limits on government tyranny, the gun nuts are ready to hand over to government the power to incarcerate, against their will, millions of Americans who, as of yet, have committed no crime whatsoever.

Freedumb.

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This is misleading and incorrect in many cases.

[gtrjones]

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coyote-1 wrote:
In order to preserve their freedom to have 30 shots instead of seven, and to keep hard limits on government tyranny, the gun nuts are ready to hand over to government the power to incarcerate, against their will, millions of Americans who, as of yet, have committed no crime whatsoever.

Freedumb.

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See also: The Patriot Act, from 10 years ago...

Patridiot.

[Belva]

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BA.Barcolounger wrote:
<blockquote> Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.</blockquote>

Nope. In order to have your ability to pass a background check removed, a person needs to be "adjudicated" mentally I'll, by a court. Simply having a mental health diagnosis is not a bar against buying a gun.

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Nope, you're wrong. Like I said, do a bit of research. I've been harping on this during my whole tenure @ HCPP. Enforce the laws we have instead of making new ones that will not get enforced

These two incidents and others involving gun purchases by individuals with mental problems are a measure of structural flaws in NICS, the FBI's National Instant Background Check System, which was set up to keep guns from falling into  the hands of criminals, noncitizens, drug users  or the mentally ill.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Gun-purchase-mental-health-records-a-patchwo...

[Invisible Hand]

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Zig al-din wrote:

That would be everyone...

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Invisible Hand wrote:

Ban the mentally ill!

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Indeed.  We live in interesting times.  

[rbstern]

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Belva wrote:
Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.

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Bush's fault.  Or the NRA.  Or [insert name of current liberal pinata here]...

We had the same bullshit dialogue after the VA Tech shootings.  Perpetraitor was seriously mentally unbalanced, a fact known to officials in the state of Virginia since his diagnosis in middle school.  Two years prior to the shooting, he was ordered by a state judge for evaluaton and later outpatient treatment for serious mental illness issues.  This fact was known to the university (and obviously to the state, since it was the government that ordered the treatement).

The follow-up investigatons revealed a bunch of nonsense about privacy laws as reason for not reporting him to NICS as inelligible to purchase firearms.  That proved to be an innacurate understanding of state law by the state bureaucrats.

Did the shooter go to a gun show and do a "loophole" sale?  Hell no.  He used the ultimate loophole to skate thru the system: Government incompetence.

And the same, tired liberal drumbeat continues...more regulations needed.

It's practically a tragic comedy.

[Graeca]

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Belva wrote:
Do a bit of research and you can plainly see that a system is already in place to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled. It just doesn't get used. It's kinda like every other piece of gun legislation.
Take that guy in Az. frinstance. He got diagnosed and the Dr. notified authorities of him being a danger. Ball got dropped, nothing got done, people got killed.

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Considering how many mentally disabled forumites have been tantrumming about their God-given right to own assault weapons (a clear indicator, in itself) over the last few weeks, you just might be right that those laws need to be enforced.