The Political Party

[moonlightin]

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:
Oh and BTW you pro-lifers, prove that a fetus is a human being before it's born.

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 What the fuck is it? Canine?

 The DNA shows up human.

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The DNA just means it's DNA and a bunch of ...stuff. It does NOT make it a human being. 

[The Badger]

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John Ellis wrote:

  So....let me get this straight

 The child is better off dead than her having to wonder whether the adoptive parents are taking care of it?

You are assuming, Mr. Ellis, that a child will indeed be found and adopted by loving parents. This ignores the fact that not all children get adopted. Some just don't find parents while they're in the "cute baby" stage. Others never get to that point because they have special needs, either physical disabilities or psychiatric problems that get them rejected by adoptive parents.

 I'm dreaming right?

No, it's more like you're hallucinating. Or having schizophrenic delusions.

 You explained the classic example of abortion for convenience and to me it's reprehensible. 

So is the treatment of unwanted children, "welfare mothers" and others who don't measure up to society's standards.

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Your problem, Mr. Ellis, is that you are so absorbed in defending "Pro Life At All Costs" that you have abandoned rational thought entirely. Your arguments have all the logical clarity and organization of a fog bank and no more substance. To quote Hamlet, "There is more 'twixt Heaven and Earth than are dremt of in your philosophpy." And your Bible.

[The Badger]

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Hoppy Shimko wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

  So....let me get this straight

 The child is better off dead than her having to wonder whether the adoptive parents are taking care of it?

  I'm dreaming right?

 You explained the classic example of abortion for convenience and to me it's reprehensible. 

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 Your opinion doesn't factor into the decision. As repulsed as you may be, it isn't your concern.

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Exactly. That was the whole point of the Original Post and the poster in the photograph that inspired it.

[The Badger]

This forum is depressingly predictable.

I posted a photograph of a woman holding a protest sign that read, "The Most Important Decision In A Woman's Life ISN'T YOURS!" That sentiment was probably directed either at a pro-life demonstrator or a pro-life politician, neither of whom grasp the notion of personal choice, rather than rule by religious dictum and personal fiat.

The discussion quickly broke down to the usual war between the majority, some of whom presented cogent arguments, and the minority -- mostly Mr. Ellis and the Zero -- who hold that "right to life" is absolutely sacred and inviolate. They don't care who is affected by an abortion, they want to force every pregnancy to its conclusion and to hell with the consequences for the woman involved.

It would be nice if other, middle-ground conclusions could be discussed, but that will never happen, at least not until the hard-line pro-lifers refuse to accept that there are other alternatives, and that someone has to endure the consequences of decisions that they -- the pro-life crowd -- would force upon them.

I wonder what Messers Ellis, Zero, et al would do if they, themselves, were suddenly faced with such unpleasant choices? But who cares? This is the same "Do As We Say Or DIE!" mindset that drove the Jews out of Spain during Tomas de Torquemada's Spanish Inquisition.

[John Ellis]

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The Badger wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

  So....let me get this straight

 The child is better off dead than her having to wonder whether the adoptive parents are taking care of it?

You are assuming, Mr. Ellis, that a child will indeed be found and adopted by loving parents. This ignores the fact that not all children get adopted. Some just don't find parents while they're in the "cute baby" stage. Others never get to that point because they have special needs, either physical disabilities or psychiatric problems that get them rejected by adoptive parents.

 I'm dreaming right?

No, it's more like you're hallucinating. Or having schizophrenic delusions.

 You explained the classic example of abortion for convenience and to me it's reprehensible. 

So is the treatment of unwanted children, "welfare mothers" and others who don't measure up to society's standards.

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Your problem, Mr. Ellis, is that you are so absorbed in defending "Pro Life At All Costs" that you have abandoned rational thought entirely. Your arguments have all the logical clarity and organization of a fog bank and no more substance. To quote Hamlet, "There is more 'twixt Heaven and Earth than are dremt of in your philosophpy." And your Bible.

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   I want people to be responsible and accountable. 

  You bring up far fetched scenerios of abortion because the mother is worried if the adopted parents that spent thousands of dollars and who knows how long  waiting for a child is treating it well. 

  The girl layed down with some smooth talker that bought her a happy meal and he got a piece of ass. 

 When we make that father pay full price for that happy meal, they'll fucking stop  or most of them. 

  I would be for a mental health screen before a woman is allowed to abort. Hell I'd even be for mandated birth control until you can prove you're capable  of raising a child. 

 BUT one thing is an absolute certainty.  Not a fucking one of you give a damn about the woman's rights.

 It's about the burden to society. 

  22% of all pregnancies in America are terminated.  Are you gonna try to tell me that the most of them are because of birth defect or rape? 

  You people are fucking monsters.  The only value placed on a human life is whether the momma wants to be burdened or not.  It does not change the physiology of the unborn one damn bit.

  Yes I'm for capital punishment for those that treat human beings as prey but the difference is, they had a choice. And crossed that line. 

   Fucking creep. 

[Belva]

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:
Oh and BTW you pro-lifers, prove that a fetus is a human being before it's born.

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 What the fuck is it? Canine?

 The DNA shows up human.

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So are you some kind of specialist in this field? Or is it just your personal opinion? Well guess what, bonehead, your opinion doesn't mean shit and Roe v Wade is still the law of the land. You can bitch all ya want but you ain't gonna change it. Deal with it, asshole

BTW you want some cheese wit yer whine?

[John Ellis]

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Belva wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:
Oh and BTW you pro-lifers, prove that a fetus is a human being before it's born.

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 What the fuck is it? Canine?

 The DNA shows up human.

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So are you some kind of specialist in this field? Or is it just your personal opinion? Well guess what, bonehead, your opinion doesn't mean shit and Roe v Wade is still the law of the land. You can bitch all ya want but you ain't gonna change it. Deal with it, asshole

BTW you want some cheese wit yer whine?

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  You're right RVW is the law of the land. 

 So is the death penalty. 

[nedezero1]

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mdwagner73 wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The least frequent reasons women get abortions: Failed BC, rape, physical danger to the mother, immaculate conception.

The most comon reason: Too drunk and horny to worry about it.

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Like I said, dipshit, prove it. Oh wait, you're too stoopid to understand what I said.

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  Are you serious?  The stats don't lie. 

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He's serious and stupid. Study after study proves the primary reason for abortion is personal convenience.

In other words....screw now...and worry about it later.

Why don't the ones so invested in killing the unborn just stand by their beliefs that abortion is just another form of birth control.

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=womensissues&cdn=newsissues&tm=10&f=00&tt=2...

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However, study after study does NOT support your contention that the primary reason is too drunk and horny to worry about it.  In fact, over half of the women with unplanned pregnancies were using birth control.

I have no problem with calling abortion birth control.  I do, however, have a problem with your attempts to characterize the majority of the women who have had abortions as drunken, lazy sluts. 

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I disagree that the women were actually on birth control regardless of what they told the clinic to minimize guilt and embarrassment. There's just too many studies out there that point to reckless behavior as the primary need, and convenience as the primary reason

Regarding drunk and lazy....you missed the intentional hyperbole, but it may comfort you to know that I hold men 50% accountable, but the woman 100% responsible since it is her after all that is the one that gets pregnant, and has the final say so (most of the time).

That aside, you won't find one post of mine saying woman doesn't have a "right" to have an abortion. And thanks for admitting it is mostly used as a form of last ditch birth control.

[nedezero1]

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The Badger wrote:
This forum is depressingly predictable.

I posted a photograph of a woman holding a protest sign that read, "The Most Important Decision In A Woman's Life ISN'T YOURS!" That sentiment was probably directed either at a pro-life demonstrator or a pro-life politician, neither of whom grasp the notion of personal choice, rather than rule by religious dictum and personal fiat.

The discussion quickly broke down to the usual war between the majority, some of whom presented cogent arguments, and the minority -- mostly Mr. Ellis and the Zero -- who hold that "right to life" is absolutely sacred and inviolate. They don't care who is affected by an abortion, they want to force every pregnancy to its conclusion and to hell with the consequences for the woman involved.

It would be nice if other, middle-ground conclusions could be discussed, but that will never happen, at least not until the hard-line pro-lifers refuse to accept that there are other alternatives, and that someone has to endure the consequences of decisions that they -- the pro-life crowd -- would force upon them.

I wonder what Messers Ellis, Zero, et al would do if they, themselves, were suddenly faced with such unpleasant choices? But who cares? This is the same "Do As We Say Or DIE!" mindset that drove the Jews out of Spain during Tomas de Torquemada's Spanish Inquisition.

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You fantasize and project as bad as Newbie...hmmmm.....

[Belva]

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John Ellis wrote:

  I do not agree with denying termination if the life of the mother is threatened. Yes, sometimes birth control does fail  but very very rarely. 

 But since the unborn has been determined to not be human in this thread.

 What makes this the hardest decision a woman will ever make?

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It was determined way before the internet let alone this thread. SCOTUS actually did their homework before making the Roe v Wade decision. And they erred way on the correct side. Ain't no way in hell a fetus could survive outside the womb at 5 months let alone 3. At 3 months the chances of a fetus surviving even with the advancements in medical science is nil. So when you can come up with sound scientific evidence that a fetus is indeed a viable human, then maybe someone will listen to you. Until then you're just whining like a little school girl who just piddled her knickers

[Belva]

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:
Oh and BTW you pro-lifers, prove that a fetus is a human being before it's born.

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 What the fuck is it? Canine?

 The DNA shows up human.

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So are you some kind of specialist in this field? Or is it just your personal opinion? Well guess what, bonehead, your opinion doesn't mean shit and Roe v Wade is still the law of the land. You can bitch all ya want but you ain't gonna change it. Deal with it, asshole

BTW you want some cheese wit yer whine?

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  You're right RVW is the law of the land. 

 So is the death penalty. 

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And the two aren't even in the same book let alone the same page.

And you forgot that the death penalty is NOT the law of the land in all states.

[Belva]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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mdwagner73 wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The least frequent reasons women get abortions: Failed BC, rape, physical danger to the mother, immaculate conception.

The most comon reason: Too drunk and horny to worry about it.

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Like I said, dipshit, prove it. Oh wait, you're too stoopid to understand what I said.

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  Are you serious?  The stats don't lie. 

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He's serious and stupid. Study after study proves the primary reason for abortion is personal convenience.

In other words....screw now...and worry about it later.

Why don't the ones so invested in killing the unborn just stand by their beliefs that abortion is just another form of birth control.

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=womensissues&cdn=newsissues&tm=10&f=00&tt=2...

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However, study after study does NOT support your contention that the primary reason is too drunk and horny to worry about it.  In fact, over half of the women with unplanned pregnancies were using birth control.

I have no problem with calling abortion birth control.  I do, however, have a problem with your attempts to characterize the majority of the women who have had abortions as drunken, lazy sluts. 

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I disagree that the women were actually on birth control regardless of what they told the clinic to minimize guilt and embarrassment. There's just too many studies out there that point to reckless behavior as the primary need, and convenience as the primary reason

Regarding drunk and lazy....you missed the intentional hyperbole, but it may comfort you to know that I hold men 50% accountable, but the woman 100% responsible since it is her after all that is the one that gets pregnant, and has the final say so (most of the time).

That aside, you won't find one post of mine saying woman doesn't have a "right" to have an abortion. And thanks for admitting it is mostly used as a form of last ditch birth control.

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Once again, dipshit, prove it.

[nedezero1]

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Belva wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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mdwagner73 wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The least frequent reasons women get abortions: Failed BC, rape, physical danger to the mother, immaculate conception.

The most comon reason: Too drunk and horny to worry about it.

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Like I said, dipshit, prove it. Oh wait, you're too stoopid to understand what I said.

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  Are you serious?  The stats don't lie. 

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He's serious and stupid. Study after study proves the primary reason for abortion is personal convenience.

In other words....screw now...and worry about it later.

Why don't the ones so invested in killing the unborn just stand by their beliefs that abortion is just another form of birth control.

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=womensissues&cdn=newsissues&tm=10&f=00&tt=2...

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However, study after study does NOT support your contention that the primary reason is too drunk and horny to worry about it.  In fact, over half of the women with unplanned pregnancies were using birth control.

I have no problem with calling abortion birth control.  I do, however, have a problem with your attempts to characterize the majority of the women who have had abortions as drunken, lazy sluts. 

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I disagree that the women were actually on birth control regardless of what they told the clinic to minimize guilt and embarrassment. There's just too many studies out there that point to reckless behavior as the primary need, and convenience as the primary reason

Regarding drunk and lazy....you missed the intentional hyperbole, but it may comfort you to know that I hold men 50% accountable, but the woman 100% responsible since it is her after all that is the one that gets pregnant, and has the final say so (most of the time).

That aside, you won't find one post of mine saying woman doesn't have a "right" to have an abortion. And thanks for admitting it is mostly used as a form of last ditch birth control.

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Once again, dipshit, prove it.

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Already did so STFU receptacle.

[Tom Hicks]

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John Ellis wrote: Not a fucking one of you give a damn about the woman's rights.

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you are 100% wrong. i support the woman's right to make her own choice. if she chooses to give birth, i have no problem with that. its you who have a problem with allowing women to make the choice whether or not to abort. you want to substitute your choice for hers. you want to substitute your beliefs for hers. as for me, i don't mind what she chooses to do about her own body. because i believe that is her choice, and not your choice.

and if you were were a woman, i would support your choice to carry the fetus to term. or support your choice to abort. because i support womens rights.

[mdwagner73]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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mdwagner73 wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

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Belva wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The least frequent reasons women get abortions: Failed BC, rape, physical danger to the mother, immaculate conception.

The most comon reason: Too drunk and horny to worry about it.

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Like I said, dipshit, prove it. Oh wait, you're too stoopid to understand what I said.

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  Are you serious?  The stats don't lie. 

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He's serious and stupid. Study after study proves the primary reason for abortion is personal convenience.

In other words....screw now...and worry about it later.

Why don't the ones so invested in killing the unborn just stand by their beliefs that abortion is just another form of birth control.

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=womensissues&cdn=newsissues&tm=10&f=00&tt=2...

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However, study after study does NOT support your contention that the primary reason is too drunk and horny to worry about it.  In fact, over half of the women with unplanned pregnancies were using birth control.

I have no problem with calling abortion birth control.  I do, however, have a problem with your attempts to characterize the majority of the women who have had abortions as drunken, lazy sluts. 

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I disagree that the women were actually on birth control regardless of what they told the clinic to minimize guilt and embarrassment. There's just too many studies out there that point to reckless behavior as the primary need, and convenience as the primary reason

Regarding drunk and lazy....you missed the intentional hyperbole, but it may comfort you to know that I hold men 50% accountable, but the woman 100% responsible since it is her after all that is the one that gets pregnant, and has the final say so (most of the time).

That aside, you won't find one post of mine saying woman doesn't have a "right" to have an abortion. And thanks for admitting it is mostly used as a form of last ditch birth control.

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LOL

[mdwagner73]

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John Ellis wrote:

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The Badger wrote:

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John Ellis wrote:

  So....let me get this straight

 The child is better off dead than her having to wonder whether the adoptive parents are taking care of it?

You are assuming, Mr. Ellis, that a child will indeed be found and adopted by loving parents. This ignores the fact that not all children get adopted. Some just don't find parents while they're in the "cute baby" stage. Others never get to that point because they have special needs, either physical disabilities or psychiatric problems that get them rejected by adoptive parents.

 I'm dreaming right?

No, it's more like you're hallucinating. Or having schizophrenic delusions.

 You explained the classic example of abortion for convenience and to me it's reprehensible. 

So is the treatment of unwanted children, "welfare mothers" and others who don't measure up to society's standards.

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Your problem, Mr. Ellis, is that you are so absorbed in defending "Pro Life At All Costs" that you have abandoned rational thought entirely. Your arguments have all the logical clarity and organization of a fog bank and no more substance. To quote Hamlet, "There is more 'twixt Heaven and Earth than are dremt of in your philosophpy." And your Bible.

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   I want people to be responsible and accountable. 

  You bring up far fetched scenerios of abortion because the mother is worried if the adopted parents that spent thousands of dollars and who knows how long  waiting for a child is treating it well. 

  The girl layed down with some smooth talker that bought her a happy meal and he got a piece of ass. 

 When we make that father pay full price for that happy meal, they'll fucking stop  or most of them. 

  I would be for a mental health screen before a woman is allowed to abort. Hell I'd even be for mandated birth control until you can prove you're capable  of raising a child. 

 BUT one thing is an absolute certainty.  Not a fucking one of you give a damn about the woman's rights.

 It's about the burden to society. 

  22% of all pregnancies in America are terminated.  Are you gonna try to tell me that the most of them are because of birth defect or rape? 

  You people are fucking monsters.  The only value placed on a human life is whether the momma wants to be burdened or not.  It does not change the physiology of the unborn one damn bit.

  Yes I'm for capital punishment for those that treat human beings as prey but the difference is, they had a choice. And crossed that line. 

   Fucking creep. 

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LOL

[The Badger]

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John Ellis wrote:

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TheBadger wrote:

Your problem, Mr. Ellis, is that you are so absorbed in defending "Pro Life At All Costs" that you have abandoned rational thought entirely. Your arguments have all the logical clarity and organization of a fog bank and no more substance. To quote Hamlet, "There is more 'twixt Heaven and Earth than are dremt of in your philosophpy." And your Bible.

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   I want people to be responsible and accountable.

All people except for you, right? Or do you consider yourself a "god," rather than a "person?"

  You bring up far fetched scenerios of abortion because the mother is worried if the adopted parents that spent thousands of dollars and who knows how long  waiting for a child is treating it well. 

Face it, John, there is no "right" or "wrong" or "easy" decision for the mother to make about an unintended pregnancy:

If she keeps the infant, she is a mother, with all the responsibilities and limitations of child-rearing. If she gives up the child, she will forever wonder what became of him or her. It is natural to wonder where a loved-one is and how he or she is doing.

If she has an abortion, she will be haunted by he question, "what if...?" What may have happened if the foetus had developed into a child, been born and lived his or her life. 

  The girl layed down with some smooth talker that bought her a happy meal and he got a piece of ass. 

You ignore the fact that the "smooth talker" gets his small jollies from the encounter and pays none of the price; he impregnates a girl, then leaves, never knowing what -- or caring -- he's started.

 When we make that father pay full price for that happy meal, they'll fucking stop  or most of them. 

You are assuming that those "smooth talker" fathers can even be found, let alone legally required to pay for their casual encounters. Even when the father is known and paternity is established, good luck getting him to pay up. Don't even bother trying when nobody knows who "daddy" is.

  I would be for a mental health screen before a woman is allowed to abort. Hell I'd even be for mandated birth control until you can prove you're capable  of raising a child. 

 Why must a woman have "a mental health screen" before being allowed an abortion? Women who face that decision are for the most part rational, thinking people, not raving lunatics. The two "abnormal" things you will find about their mental health are depression and anxiety, with the tension that comes with being forced to make a life-altering decision.

If you're going to deny an abortion to a woman on the grounds that "she's crazy," or maybe that she isn't "crazy" enough, you are misusing the mental health system for your own ends. The same "logic" was used in the past to "justify" castrating or sterilizing "mental patiends" and "retards" in the past.

 BUT one thing is an absolute certainty.  Not a fucking one of you give a damn about the woman's rights.

Explain to me how and why allowing a woman to make up her own mind to bear an unwanted child or terminate a pregnancy is "not caring about a woman's rights?" Inflicting your own prejudices and restrictions "Because The Bible Says..." is denying a woman her rights.

 It's about the burden to society.

Yes, it is about "the burden to society, which is a euphemism for "paying for welfare mothers and their bastard children." Now explain why this is "worse" than the life-long burden you are going to put on an unwed mother? Every individual is a part of "society," so when you "burden society," you are ultimately burdening individuals. The difference is that "society" as a collection can spread the burden out more than an individual.

  22% of all pregnancies in America are terminated.  Are you gonna try to tell me that the most of them are because of birth defect or rape? 

Some of those abortions are "for convenience," when a couple don't want a baby to interrupt their lives. But I suspect that many of those abortions are performed on girls -- and their boyfriends -- who are not yet ready to become parents. Do you really think this is not a legitimate reason to abort a foetus that might otherwise grow up unloved, unwanted and in poverty?

  You people are fucking monsters.  The only value placed on a human life is whether the momma wants to be burdened or not.  It does not change the physiology of the unborn one damn bit.

Is it not equally monsterous to inflict your religious and personal views on other people, knowing that what you force on them will not affect you in any way?

  Yes I'm for capital punishment for those that treat human beings as prey but the difference is, they had a choice. And crossed that line. 

Since you like making fun of "far fetched scenerios," have you ever considered that if someone who may commit murder in the future was aborted, he or she will not live to commit those crimes? Remember, Hitler's mother had Papal permission to have an abortion, but gave birth to little Adolph anyway. History shows what happened fifty-some years later.

   Fucking creep. 

Is that a sexual position or a sex act?

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 Mr. Ellis, you're a great one for throwing insults without asking any questions or caring whether what you're saying has any truth to it.

[The Badger]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The Badger wrote:
This forum is depressingly predictable.

I posted a photograph of a woman holding a protest sign that read, "The Most Important Decision In A Woman's Life ISN'T YOURS!" That sentiment was probably directed either at a pro-life demonstrator or a pro-life politician, neither of whom grasp the notion of personal choice, rather than rule by religious dictum and personal fiat.

The discussion quickly broke down to the usual war between the majority, some of whom presented cogent arguments, and the minority -- mostly Mr. Ellis and the Zero -- who hold that "right to life" is absolutely sacred and inviolate. They don't care who is affected by an abortion, they want to force every pregnancy to its conclusion and to hell with the consequences for the woman involved.

It would be nice if other, middle-ground conclusions could be discussed, but that will never happen, at least not until the hard-line pro-lifers refuse to accept that there are other alternatives, and that someone has to endure the consequences of decisions that they -- the pro-life crowd -- would force upon them.

I wonder what Messieurs Ellis, Zero, et al would do if they, themselves, were suddenly faced with such unpleasant choices? But who cares? This is the same "Do As We Say Or DIE!" mindset that drove the Jews out of Spain during Tomas de Torquemada's Spanish Inquisition.

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You fantasize and project as bad as Newbie...hmmmm....

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I posted a picture and posed a question. You're the one who fantasized monsters under the bed and in the closet. Now to the question in the post you replied to: What would you do if someone did some atrocity like the exile of the Spanish Jews -- or the Nazi Holocaust -- to you? Would you still support the system that is deciding how you should live your life even if you are being forced to do something abhorrent? Or maybe killed "because you are inferior?"

[nedezero1]

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The Badger wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

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The Badger wrote:
This forum is depressingly predictable.

I posted a photograph of a woman holding a protest sign that read, "The Most Important Decision In A Woman's Life ISN'T YOURS!" That sentiment was probably directed either at a pro-life demonstrator or a pro-life politician, neither of whom grasp the notion of personal choice, rather than rule by religious dictum and personal fiat.

The discussion quickly broke down to the usual war between the majority, some of whom presented cogent arguments, and the minority -- mostly Mr. Ellis and the Zero -- who hold that "right to life" is absolutely sacred and inviolate. They don't care who is affected by an abortion, they want to force every pregnancy to its conclusion and to hell with the consequences for the woman involved.

It would be nice if other, middle-ground conclusions could be discussed, but that will never happen, at least not until the hard-line pro-lifers refuse to accept that there are other alternatives, and that someone has to endure the consequences of decisions that they -- the pro-life crowd -- would force upon them.

I wonder what Messers Ellis, Zero, et al would do if they, themselves, were suddenly faced with such unpleasant choices? But who cares? This is the same "Do As We Say Or DIE!" mindset that drove the Jews out of Spain during Tomas de Torquemada's Spanish Inquisition.

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You fantasize and project as bad as Newbie...hmmmm....

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I posted a picture and posed a question. You're the one who fantasized monsters under the bed and in the closet. Now to the question in the post you replied to: What would you do if someone did some attrocity like the exile of the Spanish Jews -- or the Nazi Holocost -- to you?

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You might want to go back re-read the thread...specifically my posts. You might be mistaking me for someone else.

[pink freud]

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John Ellis wrote:

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Godsky wrote:

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nedezero1 wrote:

Boy...the left sure does put a lot of effort into killing the unborn....

But I agree, it's a woman's choice.

It's just too bad no one cares about the choices a woman has until AFTER she's pregnant.

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The last comment i agree on.

But a lot of people say "well tough"

Ah huh... 

So the kid grows up in an unloving enviroment, turns out messed up. and then what?

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  Then it has the same chance as everyone else. Since when is a bad life worse than no life. 

But you know what I believe? I believe that if abortion were not so easy obtained, People would be much more careful

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As usual, your beliefs run counter to factual history. Women get abortions regardless of legality. Women die during the procedure more often (by orders of magnitude) when the procedure is illegal.