guido61 wrote:
After 2008 the conventional-wisdom on the right was that people voted for Obama because after 8 years of Bush, war and the crashing economy, they bought into the "hope and change" stuff, they fell in love with the idea of voting for a black guy, ANY Democrat would have won following Bush, and McCain sucked.
OK fine. Let's assume all that was true. But then you can't use any of that to explain 2012. Bush was long gone, the economy was now Obama's, we already did the "vote for the black guy" thing, and Romney didn't suck. Well, OK. Maybe he did. But still...
The GOP spun as hard as they could for 4 years to try and dismiss Obama as a fluke. As somebody that the country didn't REALLY want and regreted voting for. That he was the 2nd coming of Jimmy Carter.
It didn't work. He got relected because people preferred him and his platform to the other guy. Plain and simple. And yeah...Romney sucked. But the GOP platform he got stuck supporting sucked worse. THAT'S what people voted against.
So to win in 2016 or beyond, the GOP needs to make some serious changes. Or find their own "messiah" .
I agree. What skeers me about the Retard party is what they'll do after they to pull up even and get someone in the White House. What then? Will they go back to their old ways and fuck us in the ass again?
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
96% of Americans don't even know what the fuck the Sec of State is.They know who Hillary is, and she's got the big stamp of approval on what she did. That's how she'll be remembered. The right will go through their usual contortions about her record, but that's mostly for comforting themselves. She oversaw the end in Iraq and the beginning of the end in Afghanistan. Americans are onboard with that, and that's real easy to remember. 69%. She's been through hell and highwater in her personal and professional life and came out a survivor and winner. She's got icon staus, and the right has nobody to compete wth that fact. Can they beat her in 2016 if she runs? Sure, but they really need to up their game and their players, and so far there's no sign of that.
Powell had an even higher rating, and oversaw a disastrous foreign policy.
That 69 percent approval rating is higher than any other outgoing secretary of state measured in a survey since 1948 -- with one exception: Colin Powell, whose approval rating was at 77 percent per a late 2004 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll.
The poll was from January. Here's the same (WSJ) from February:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873239
Condi Rice: 47% Positive - 18% Negative (27% neutral, 8 don't know)
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/w
Caulk Rocket wrote:
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
96% of Americans don't even know what the fuck the Sec of State is.They know who Hillary is, and she's got the big stamp of approval on what she did. That's how she'll be remembered. The right will go through their usual contortions about her record, but that's mostly for comforting themselves. She oversaw the end in Iraq and the beginning of the end in Afghanistan. Americans are onboard with that, and that's real easy to remember. 69%. She's been through hell and highwater in her personal and professional life and came out a survivor and winner. She's got icon staus, and the right has nobody to compete wth that fact. Can they beat her in 2016 if she runs? Sure, but they really need to up their game and their players, and so far there's no sign of that.
Powell had an even higher rating, and oversaw a disastrous foreign policy.
That 69 percent approval rating is higher than any other outgoing secretary of state measured in a survey since 1948 -- with one exception: Colin Powell, whose approval rating was at 77 percent per a late 2004 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll.
The poll was from January. Here's the same (WSJ) from February:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873239
26104578276291709538474.html?KEYWORDS=hillary
Condi Rice: 47% Positive - 18% Negative (27% neutral, 8 don't know)
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/w
sjpoll20081211.pdf
Yep. You can't cherry pick this stuff. It's the overall impression that matters, and some politcal figures just transcend the resume and rise above with that something extra. Bill has had that for decades. Hillary got there fairly recently by simply staying the course. He's got the charisma, and she's tough as nails. Both winners in the court of public opinion.
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
96% of Americans don't even know what the fuck the Sec of State is.They know who Hillary is, and she's got the big stamp of approval on what she did. That's how she'll be remembered. The right will go through their usual contortions about her record, but that's mostly for comforting themselves. She oversaw the end in Iraq and the beginning of the end in Afghanistan. Americans are onboard with that, and that's real easy to remember. 69%. She's been through hell and highwater in her personal and professional life and came out a survivor and winner. She's got icon staus, and the right has nobody to compete wth that fact. Can they beat her in 2016 if she runs? Sure, but they really need to up their game and their players, and so far there's no sign of that.
Powell had an even higher rating, and oversaw a disastrous foreign policy.
That 69 percent approval rating is higher than any other outgoing secretary of state measured in a survey since 1948 -- with one exception: Colin Powell, whose approval rating was at 77 percent per a late 2004 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll.
The poll was from January. Here's the same (WSJ) from February:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873239
26104578276291709538474.html?KEYWORDS=hillary
Condi Rice: 47% Positive - 18% Negative (27% neutral, 8 don't know)
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/w
sjpoll20081211.pdf
Yep. You can't cherry pick this stuff. It's the overall impression that matters, and some politcal figures just transcend the resume and rise above with that something extra. Bill has had that for decades. Hillary got there fairly recently by simply staying the course. He's got the charisma, and she's tough as nails. Both winners in the court of public opinion.
They rally a certain segment of shriekers like no other (except for maybe Obama himself).
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
savoldi wrote:
Caulk Rocket wrote:
96% of Americans don't even know what the fuck the Sec of State is.They know who Hillary is, and she's got the big stamp of approval on what she did. That's how she'll be remembered. The right will go through their usual contortions about her record, but that's mostly for comforting themselves. She oversaw the end in Iraq and the beginning of the end in Afghanistan. Americans are onboard with that, and that's real easy to remember. 69%. She's been through hell and highwater in her personal and professional life and came out a survivor and winner. She's got icon staus, and the right has nobody to compete wth that fact. Can they beat her in 2016 if she runs? Sure, but they really need to up their game and their players, and so far there's no sign of that.
Powell had an even higher rating, and oversaw a disastrous foreign policy.
That 69 percent approval rating is higher than any other outgoing secretary of state measured in a survey since 1948 -- with one exception: Colin Powell, whose approval rating was at 77 percent per a late 2004 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll.
The poll was from January. Here's the same (WSJ) from February:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873239
26104578276291709538474.html?KEYWORDS=hillary
Condi Rice: 47% Positive - 18% Negative (27% neutral, 8 don't know)
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/w
sjpoll20081211.pdf
Yep. You can't cherry pick this stuff. It's the overall impression that matters, and some politcal figures just transcend the resume and rise above with that something extra. Bill has had that for decades. Hillary got there fairly recently by simply staying the course. He's got the charisma, and she's tough as nails. Both winners in the court of public opinion.
Winners in the court of public opinion - the opinion of morons. How many of the people declaring hillary Clinton and Colin Powell popular are more concerned with the next American Idol winner or who Kim Kardashian is dating, than they are about the use of drones to kill our own citizens or Wall Street mega banks running the economy.
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