01-18-2013 01:02 AM
01-18-2013 03:03 AM
01-18-2013 03:36 AM
mauser wrote:
Buckethead: Doing well, thanks. Probably not the first time we've ever disagreed. Probably not the last either.
Yanktar: I'm afraid you seem to have no idea what I want. Either that, or you're a great actor.
Sure I do. You want us all to believe your make-believe alternate reality exists, one in which gun owners' guns are used for legitimate self-defense 100% of the time, and that limiting gun access increases crime rather than decreases it, and that "guns don't kill, people kill" as if guns don't make it a hell of a lot easier.
You want us to pretend that the 2nd Amendment is only half as long and the words "A Well-Regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a Free State," don't exist and have no meaning.
What you DON'T want to is to admit it.
01-18-2013 03:55 AM
01-18-2013 04:49 AM
mauser wrote:
Yanktar: I couldn't begin to tell you for what other people use their guns. If you want to know, ask them. I will say based on the stats, the overwhelming majority of guns are never used in crimes. You want to reduce crime......great. You simply want to infringe on the rights of those not committing the crime....there's going to be a problem.
The right protected by the 2nd Amendment is as much an individual right as that which is protected by the first. You don't have to agree with that.....you just have to deal with it.
You mistake me: I don't have any desire to infringe on your rights or anyone else's. I AM concerned with reducing crime. Sandy Hills isn't that far from here, either in distance or in the community it's in. There have been more public shootings with high cap weapons in the last 15 or 20 years than there had been since the start of the Depression. The last few years have seen too many.
Wild accusations that Obama's going to take your guns and create a fascist/socialist dictatorship just don't fly. NOBODY is coming to take your legally and legitimately owned guns. That's just not in any of the proposals or executive orders. I cannot believe you think it's OK for a violent felon (convicted) out on parole to be able to LEGALLY buy a gun, any gun. "Violent" according to the NIJ's definition of the term. Nor can I believe you don't want to keep weapons out of the hands of Jerard Loughner, Colin Fergusson, or Adam Lanza.
The 2nd is, in many ways, one of the worst-written of the BOR because it has a clause that explains its reason for existence, yet the writings of the men who created it implies they had something else in mind. But it also is clear that their concept of a militia, reminiscent of the recent events of their last 25 years, with every man "to arms!", was what they were thinking about, and the concept of "National Guard" at the state level and a Federal military were foreign to them, and would be for through the next century. Remember: in the Civil War, units were ALL state-based, both in the Union and in the Confederacy. This trend, in some form persisted even into WWII ("Texas Longhorns" vs "Buddaheads"--the former from Texas, the latter the 442nd Japanese-Americans). You cannot ignore the first half of the 2nd. Only the MOST recent SCOTUS decision reversed decades and decades of interpretation that it referred to STATES' mlitias or national guards.
And the recent decison did NOT preclude regulating and licensing gun ownership. It did not interpret the 2nd to mean anyone and everyone can get a gun without any regulation or oversight. You don't need to agree, you just have to deal with it.
01-18-2013 05:04 AM
01-18-2013 05:08 AM - edited 01-18-2013 05:10 AM
just keep killing each other
its great entertainment
01-18-2013 05:09 AM
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01-18-2013 06:25 AM - edited 01-18-2013 06:26 AM
mauser wrote:
Trust me.....I intend to deal with it.
OK. I PRESUME you mean legally, by obeying the law, and using the legal and legislative process to oppose what you don't agree with.
Otherwise it's just another Internet "Tough Guy" posturing.
PS: Whenever anybody says "Trust me", I immediately don't...because 999 times out of a 1000, I'm right not to.
01-18-2013 06:31 AM
Further gun control measures are inevitable. Submit and be healed.
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01-18-2013 06:49 AM
mauser wrote:
Trust me.....I intend to deal with it.
I've reported this post to the FBI. It sounds like you're planning some illegal activities, possibly violent. I just thought you should know, they'll be watching you now.
01-18-2013 07:18 AM
01-18-2013 07:20 AM
01-18-2013 07:22 AM
01-18-2013 07:23 AM
mauser wrote:
Yanktar: I don't posture, and defending one's liberties has nothing to do with being a "tough guy".
You can do whatever you like.
But thats exactly what you are doing, and you are acting like the kind of nutcase people don't want to have guns.
Congrats, you do more damage to your cause by acting like a retard than you help.
01-18-2013 07:25 AM
mauser wrote:
Mossy: Whoop-de-doo.
I'm just saying, whatever last stand/mass murder you might be planning, the Feds will be all over your **bleep** before you get a chance.
You're welcome, America.
01-18-2013 07:26 AM
Mossy Mossy Moss wrote:
mauser wrote:
Mossy: Whoop-de-doo.
I'm just saying, whatever last stand/mass murder you might be planning, the Feds will be all over your **bleep** before you get a chance.
You're welcome, America.
01-18-2013 07:28 AM
01-18-2013 07:31 AM
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