Daryl Flynn wrote:So you'd have a problem discussing next Tuesday I would presume?
We know that Tuesday will happen in a certain number of hours, but there is no proof that a god exists, outside of the Bible, that was written by man.
Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years? Certainly an omnipotent and omniscient being would have something to say during that time span.
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newbie chick wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:So you'd have a problem discussing next Tuesday I would presume?
We know that Tuesday will happen in a certain number of hours, but there is no proof that a god exists, outside of the Bible, that was written by man.
Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years? Certainly an omnipotent and omniscient being would have something to say during that time span.
We have no proof that next Tuesday exists. No one has seen it yet. It's not tangible in any way, shape, or form. We only have faith that it will arrive. So, according to sdelsorey (sp?) we shouldn't discuss it.
Newbie sez: Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years?
God would have to reveal himself to do that, right? That would negate the come to me in faith stuff, now wouldn't it?
Is there something you'd like him to add? Recipes? How about movie reviews? 
Daryl Flynn wrote:
newbie chick wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:So you'd have a problem discussing next Tuesday I would presume?
We know that Tuesday will happen in a certain number of hours, but there is no proof that a god exists, outside of the Bible, that was written by man.
Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years? Certainly an omnipotent and omniscient being would have something to say during that time span.
We have no proof that next Tuesday exists. No one has seen it yet. It's not tangible in any way, shape, or form. We only have faith that it will arrive. So, according to sdelsorey (sp?) we shouldn't discuss it.
Newbie sez: Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years?
God would have to reveal himself to do that, right? That would negate the come to me in faith stuff, now wouldn't it?
Is there something you'd like him to add? Recipes? How about movie reviews?
We created the calender of 7 day weeks, just like we created God.
newbie chick wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:
newbie chick wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:So you'd have a problem discussing next Tuesday I would presume?
We know that Tuesday will happen in a certain number of hours, but there is no proof that a god exists, outside of the Bible, that was written by man.
Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years? Certainly an omnipotent and omniscient being would have something to say during that time span.
We have no proof that next Tuesday exists. No one has seen it yet. It's not tangible in any way, shape, or form. We only have faith that it will arrive. So, according to sdelsorey (sp?) we shouldn't discuss it.
Newbie sez: Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years?
God would have to reveal himself to do that, right? That would negate the come to me in faith stuff, now wouldn't it?
Is there something you'd like him to add? Recipes? How about movie reviews?
We created the calender of 7 day weeks, just like we created God.
Who created us?
the more that religious people kill each other for their gods the better off the rest of us will be - go yahweh, go allah...rack 'em up! it's not like theres not enough people on the planet - christians/muslims/jews/any sky giant crowd killing each other is just as much of a win as having crips/bloods/any criminal gang killing each other. cleansing of the gene pool.
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Daryl Flynn wrote:
newbie chick wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:So you'd have a problem discussing next Tuesday I would presume?
We know that Tuesday will happen in a certain number of hours, but there is no proof that a god exists, outside of the Bible, that was written by man.
Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years? Certainly an omnipotent and omniscient being would have something to say during that time span.
We have no proof that next Tuesday exists. No one has seen it yet. It's not tangible in any way, shape, or form. We only have faith that it will arrive. So, according to sdelsorey (sp?) we shouldn't discuss it.
Newbie sez: Why hasn't god updated the bible in over 1500 years?
God would have to reveal himself to do that, right? That would negate the come to me in faith stuff, now wouldn't it?
Is there something you'd like him to add? Recipes? How about movie reviews?
Well, I suspect you and I have different definitions of the word "faith". Of course, there is more than one definition of the word in dictionaries. The way I see it, there's a religious definition (taken from the Bible), and there's a more loose, generic definition of the word "faith".
The religious definition goes something like this:
'Faith is the substance of things hoped for and faith is evidence of things unseen.'
The more loose, generic definition equates "faith" with strong trust or belief in something.
The two definitions overlap to a small extent, but the differences are significant. You used the term twice in your post. First, in the loose, generic sense with respect to your argument about next Tuesday. Then you used the word "faith" a second time but changed that use to the religious definition. A clever rhetoric, but inaccurate and perhaps disingenuous.
I have "faith" (in the loose, generic sense) that my car will start in the morning. But that is not religious faith, which is belief without empirical evidence, i.e., wishful thinking of something not capable of being observed. I would rather say that I believe my car will srat in the morning, particularly because it has started every morning since I bought it and I just had it tuned up (notice the empirical evidence which supports the belief).
guido61 wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:Who created us?
Who says we necessarily had to be 'created'?
Occam's razor: The most simple theory is usually the correct one; we exist, therefore we had to be created.
Creation is the theory which also explains things the most without leaving huge unexplained holes in it, such as where did the Big Bang come from?
Here's a question for atheists? Explain altruism? It doesn't fit in with any of Darwin's theories. Why does it exist?
You know this forum is dead when I start discussing religion. 
guido61 wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:
guido61 wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:Who created us?
Who says we necessarily had to be 'created'?Occam's razor: The most simple theory is usually the correct one; we exist, therefore we had to be created.
Then who created God?
God exists outside of time and space. So, how could we know? I think the Bible says he always was. Or, something to that nature.
Daryl Flynn wrote:
guido61 wrote:
Daryl Flynn wrote:Who created us?
Who says we necessarily had to be 'created'?Occam's razor: The most simple theory is usually the correct one; we exist, therefore we had to be created.
Creation is the theory which also explains things the most without leaving huge unexplained holes in it, such as where did the Big Bang come from?
Here's a question for atheists? Explain altruism? It doesn't fit in with any of Darwin's theories. Why does it exist?
You know this forum is dead when I start discussing religion.
Creation is not a scientific theory. There is no empirical evidence to support it. Creation is a mere assertion. Try again. And be more careful in the future with the use of the word "theory".
Occam's razor doesn't apply because by asserting creation you are adding complexity by demandning a creator which is more complex than the creation. That is not the simpler explanation at all.
Your understaniding of the current biological theory of evolution appears deficient. Numerous peer review papers and numerous lay explanations exist of how and why altruism is compatible and indeed predicted within evolutionary theory. I suggest you read some of them to answer your questions.
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