01-25-2013 12:36 PM
In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.
The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.
But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.
“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.
The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.
And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.
White House dissent
White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.
“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.
But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.
“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”
In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.
“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.
The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.
In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.
01-25-2013 12:40 PM - edited 01-25-2013 12:41 PM
"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."
All that needs to be said. They are picking on Obama, clearly. Bush Jr used these extensively and the right wing apologists here defended him rampantly.
I personally don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, and have wished congress to close that loophole for more than 10 years now.. but truth needs to be observed here, not hypocrisy.
01-25-2013 01:07 PM
01-25-2013 01:14 PM - edited 01-25-2013 01:15 PM
Kramerguy wrote:"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."
All that needs to be said. They are picking on Obama, clearly. Bush Jr used these extensively and the right wing apologists here defended him rampantly.
I personally don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, and have wished congress to close that loophole for more than 10 years now.. but truth needs to be observed here, not hypocrisy.
It would seem to me that Bush did not do "In Session" appointments and that he did not step on the toes of the industries that would file for legal remedy. Obama did both. I would have to say that it is not Obama being picked on, but rather that it is Obama's unconstitution application of the "Out of session" appointments when those appointments were made when the Senate was in session.
Obama attempted to "One up" the Senate and the courts ruled that Obama's hand was in the unconstitutional cookie jar. I am sure that now we will see what SCOTUS has to say on the matter.
01-25-2013 01:18 PM
Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.
There was nobody there.
More GOP gimmickry and deception.
semper eadem.
01-25-2013 01:33 PM
01-25-2013 01:35 PM
So glad to have Summer Breeze's douchetastic take on this.
01-25-2013 01:44 PM
gspointer wrote:
Good ruling. Did bush do recess appointments while they were "in session"
Nope ,,,,,
01-25-2013 01:46 PM
RogueGnome wrote:Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.
There was nobody there.
More GOP gimmickry and deception.
semper eadem.
It doesnt work like that ,,,
01-25-2013 01:54 PM
TIMKEYS wrote:
RogueGnome wrote:Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.
There was nobody there.
More GOP gimmickry and deception.
semper eadem.
It doesnt work like that ,,,
But that's what happened.
They said they were in session, but they weren't in session.
There was nobody there.
There was no 'there' there.
Smoke and mirrors.
I can't tell my boss I'm not coming in today, but I'll be there just the same.
(Not talking about working from home or telecommuting.)
To borrow a phrase from Bill Clinton, depends on what 'is' is.
Congress is in session or it is not in session.
Congress was not in session.
01-25-2013 01:57 PM
Anybody care about this?
No?
Me neither.
01-25-2013 01:57 PM
01-25-2013 02:18 PM
Gromit wrote:Anybody care about this?
No?
Me neither.
The Washington times. Baying at the moon news.
01-25-2013 02:27 PM
01-25-2013 03:10 PM
TIMKEYS wrote:
they lick obamas ass because they think he is gonna give them free stuff.
Seriously, dude. It's time to take your head out the Right Wing Media Toilet.
What "free stuff" has Obama said he'd give anyone?
01-25-2013 03:22 PM
Hoddy wrote:In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.
The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.
But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.
“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.
The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.
And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.
White House dissent
White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.
“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.
But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.
“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”
In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.
“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.
The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.
In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/#i ...
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01-25-2013 03:25 PM
Hoppy Shimko wrote:
Hoddy wrote:In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.
The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.
But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.
“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.
The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.
And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.
White House dissent
White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.
“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.
But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.
“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”
In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.
“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.
The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.
In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/25/federal-court-obama-broke-law-recess-appointments/#i ...
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01-25-2013 03:48 PM
guido61 wrote:
TIMKEYS wrote:
they lick obamas ass because they think he is gonna give them free stuff.Seriously, dude. It's time to take your head out the Right Wing Media Toilet.
What "free stuff" has Obama said he'd give anyone?
You have your head so far up his ass you have lost all abiliy to be objective on the matter.
01-25-2013 03:55 PM
Kramerguy wrote:"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."
Jay Carney's words. Obama's spokeshampster.
01-25-2013 04:13 PM
TIMKEYS wrote:You have your head so far up his ass you have lost all abiliy to be objective on the matter.
LOL. Who has their head where, exactly? I'M not the one repeating silly talking points they can't back up. That would be you.
Seriously, you're pretty much just about the LAST person here to be lecturing ANYONE about 'objectivity'. When was the last time you offered an objective viewpoint about ANYTHING?
So again...what's the "Free Stuff" Obama offered voters? You've brought up this line at least a dozen times in the last few days. So you must have SOME idea what you're talking about, don't you?
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