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Hoddy
Posts: 65,904
Registered: ‎08-31-2006

Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.

But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.

“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.

The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.

And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.

White House dissent

White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.

“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.

But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.

“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”

In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.

“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.

The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.

In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.

 
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Kramerguy
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

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"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."

 

All that needs to be said.  They are picking on Obama, clearly.  Bush Jr used these extensively and the right wing apologists here defended him rampantly.

 

I personally don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, and have wished congress to close that loophole for more than 10 years now.. but truth needs to be observed here, not hypocrisy.

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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

Good ruling. Did bush do recess appointments while they were "in session"
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normh
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

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Kramerguy wrote:

"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."

 

All that needs to be said.  They are picking on Obama, clearly.  Bush Jr used these extensively and the right wing apologists here defended him rampantly.

 

I personally don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, and have wished congress to close that loophole for more than 10 years now.. but truth needs to be observed here, not hypocrisy.


It would seem to me that Bush did not do "In Session" appointments and that he did not step on the toes of the industries that would file for legal remedy.  Obama did both.  I would have to say that it is not Obama being picked on, but rather that it is Obama's unconstitution application of the "Out of session" appointments when those appointments were made when the Senate was in session.

Obama attempted to "One up" the Senate and the courts ruled that Obama's hand was in the unconstitutional cookie jar.  I am sure that now we will see what SCOTUS has to say on the matter.

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RogueGnome
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Registered: ‎04-24-2008

Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.

There was nobody there.

More GOP gimmickry and deception.

semper eadem.

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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

But they are in session when the democrats do the same thing?
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

So glad to have Summer Breeze's douchetastic take on this.

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TIMKEYS
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


gspointer wrote:
Good ruling. Did bush do recess appointments while they were "in session"


Nope ,,,,,

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TIMKEYS
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


RogueGnome wrote:

Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.

There was nobody there.

More GOP gimmickry and deception.

semper eadem.


It doesnt work like that ,,,

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RogueGnome
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


TIMKEYS wrote:

RogueGnome wrote:

Congress is not in session when there's nobody there.

There was nobody there.

More GOP gimmickry and deception.

semper eadem.


It doesnt work like that ,,,


But that's what happened.

They said they were in session, but they weren't in session.

There was nobody there.

There was no 'there' there.

Smoke and mirrors.

I can't tell my boss I'm not coming in today, but I'll be there just the same.

(Not talking about working from home or telecommuting.)

To borrow a phrase from Bill Clinton, depends on what 'is' is.

Congress is in session or it is not in session.

Congress was not in session.

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Gromit
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

Anybody care about this?

 

No?

 

Me neither.

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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/202335-reids-backs-obama-for-ig...
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


Gromit wrote:

Anybody care about this?

 

No?

 

Me neither.


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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!

The court seemed to care. Obama abused his power they say. Obots dont care about anything ,, they lick obamas ass because they think he is gonna give them free stuff.
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guido61
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


TIMKEYS wrote:
 they lick obamas ass because they think he is gonna give them free stuff.

Seriously, dude.  It's time to take your head out the Right Wing Media Toilet.

What "free stuff" has Obama said he'd give anyone? 

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Hoppy Shimko
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


Hoddy wrote:

In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.

But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.

“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.

The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.

And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.

White House dissent

White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.

“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.

But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.

“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”

In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.

“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.

The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.

In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.

 
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Hoddy
Posts: 65,904
Registered: ‎08-31-2006

Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


Hoppy Shimko wrote:

Hoddy wrote:

In a case freighted with major constitutional implications, a federal appeals court on Friday overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, ruling he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.

The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments he made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and hence the five-person board did not have a quorum to operate.

But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intra-session” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks. They said Mr. Obama erred when he said he could claim the power to determine when he could make appointments.

“Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers,” the judges said in their opinion.

The judges said presidents’ recess powers only apply after Congress has adjourned a session permanently, which in modern times usually means only at the end of a year. If the ruling withstands Supreme Court scrutiny, it would dramatically constrain presidents in the future.

And the court ruled that the only vacancies that the president can use his powers on are ones that arise when the Senate is in one of those end-of-session breaks. That would all but eliminate the list of positions the president could fill with his recess powers.

White House dissent

White House press secretary Jay Carney called the ruling “novel and unprecedented,” and said it contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties.

“We respectfully but strongly disagree with the rulings,” he said.

But Noel Francisco, a lawyer at Jones Day who argued the case for the company that challenged the NLRB appointments, said the court had returned to the Constitution’s intent, which was to make the recess appointment an emergency power for use only when Congress was not available.

“Issues like this — it’s not about protecting the Congress from the president and the president from Congress,” Mr. Francisco said. “The Constitution draws these lines ultimately to limit the government to protect the people.”

In their ruling the judges said their duty is not to speed up the workings of government, but to hold to constitutional principles.

“If some administrative inefficiency results from our construction of the original meaning of the Constitution, that does not empower us to change what the Constitution commands,” the judges wrote.

The judges said the recess power was created for a time when Congress met only a few months out of the year, and was designed for the president to fill vacancies during the long periods when Congress was not meeting. In modern times, when Congress is almost always capable of meeting, the recess powers should be more circumscribed.

In the short term, the ruling invalidates one NLRB decision. But over the longer term it could invalidate a year’s worth of decisions by the independent agency, could undercut Mr. Obama’s new consumer watchdog agency set up in the 2010 Wall Street reform law, and could even call into question decisions made by some judges who were given recess appointments.

 
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TIMKEYS
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


guido61 wrote:

TIMKEYS wrote:
 they lick obamas ass because they think he is gonna give them free stuff.

Seriously, dude.  It's time to take your head out the Right Wing Media Toilet.

What "free stuff" has Obama said he'd give anyone? 


You have your head so far up his ass you have lost all abiliy to be objective on the matter.  

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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


Kramerguy wrote:

"contradicts 150 years of practice by presidents of both parties."

 

 


Jay Carney's words. Obama's spokeshampster.

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guido61
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Re: Court rules Obama recess appointments unconstitutional!


TIMKEYS wrote:



You have your head so far up his ass you have lost all abiliy to be objective on the matter.  


LOL.  Who has their head where, exactly?  I'M not the one repeating silly talking points they can't back up.  That would be you.

Seriously, you're pretty much just about the LAST person here to be lecturing ANYONE about 'objectivity'.  When was the last time you offered an objective viewpoint about ANYTHING?

So again...what's the "Free Stuff" Obama offered voters?  You've brought up this line at least a dozen  times in the last few days.  So you must have SOME idea what you're talking about, don't you?

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