The Political Party

[splatbass]

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normh wrote:

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splatbass wrote:

Actually, my education is in electronics technology, but I work as a system administrator, which I am not on paper qualified to do. In other words I don't work in the field I studied. I am also the lead on my system, and am in charge of millions of dollars worth of equipment and the people taking care of it, so I have done pretty well for someone not qualified to do my job.

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So, if I am reading that right, You obtained/earned an A.S. from some community college or institute such as Devrie, found out that you were sold a bill of goods about the value of that education and maneuvered into a position that you have no formal training for.  This is not intended as a slight, it is meant only as an assessment.

Having gotten past the segue, what value did your college education serve you outside of getting you into the company.  In order to get to the bits and bytes of a data transfer, or network security, you need an education that does not come from electronic technology.  In other words, it was your motivation and drive rather than education that placed you where you are at today.

Likewise, in China it is the drive that the poorer off have that is placing them in a higher income bracket over those that have an education in XYZ, cannot find work in XYZ, but also refuse to take work that is below their ... dignity ... sense of worth ... that pays three times the amount that they would make in their field of expertise.  Unlike you who maneuvered upwards, they are fools.  Unfortunately, the refusal to take work that a person feels is below them is a common failing in this country as well.

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You aren't reading it right. But I am done for the night.

[splatbass]

Ok, I'm up to go to work, so I'll explain my point. When work in my field dried up, I moved to another field, which is exactly what you are claiming Americans won't do. But you are wrong, Americans do it all the time.

[Hoppy Shimko]

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normh wrote:

While people and politicians are pitching for more education and reviving manufacturing in this country, jobs go begging in factories while many college educated young workers, which now number 11 times more than in 1989, are unemployed or underemployed in China. A national survey of urban residents, released this winter by a Chinese university, showed that among people in their early 20s, those with a college degree were four times as likely to be unemployed as those with only an elementary school education. Yet, it is not about the pay. Many factories are desperate for workers, despite offering double-digit annual pay increases and improved benefits, while an office job would initially pay as little as a third of factory wages. The glut of college graduates is eroding wages even for those with more marketable majors, like computer science. Vocational schools and training programs are unpopular because they suffer from a low status [or are seen as] for people from unsuccessful, poor, or peasant backgrounds. 'The more educated people are, the less they want to work in a factory,' said an unemployed graduate. If we do succeed bringing back factory jobs, are there enough people who want them?

Slashdot

Many Chinese workers are rejecting factory jobs that require no education and pay three times as much as an office job, yet people on this forum want to argue that education is the only way. 

(There are two links and one is highlighted.)

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It appears China and the US are not so different after all....HA HA !

[Elvie]

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Hoppy Shimko wrote:

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normh wrote:

While people and politicians are pitching for more education and reviving manufacturing in this country, jobs go begging in factories while many college educated young workers, which now number 11 times more than in 1989, are unemployed or underemployed in China. A national survey of urban residents, released this winter by a Chinese university, showed that among people in their early 20s, those with a college degree were four times as likely to be unemployed as those with only an elementary school education. Yet, it is not about the pay. Many factories are desperate for workers, despite offering double-digit annual pay increases and improved benefits, while an office job would initially pay as little as a third of factory wages. The glut of college graduates is eroding wages even for those with more marketable majors, like computer science. Vocational schools and training programs are unpopular because they suffer from a low status [or are seen as] for people from unsuccessful, poor, or peasant backgrounds. 'The more educated people are, the less they want to work in a factory,' said an unemployed graduate. If we do succeed bringing back factory jobs, are there enough people who want them?

Slashdot

Many Chinese workers are rejecting factory jobs that require no education and pay three times as much as an office job, yet people on this forum want to argue that education is the only way. 

(There are two links and one is highlighted.)

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It appears China and the US are not so different after all....HA HA !

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Neither needs a middle class!

[Hoppy Shimko]

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Elvie wrote:

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Hoppy Shimko wrote:

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normh wrote:

While people and politicians are pitching for more education and reviving manufacturing in this country, jobs go begging in factories while many college educated young workers, which now number 11 times more than in 1989, are unemployed or underemployed in China. A national survey of urban residents, released this winter by a Chinese university, showed that among people in their early 20s, those with a college degree were four times as likely to be unemployed as those with only an elementary school education. Yet, it is not about the pay. Many factories are desperate for workers, despite offering double-digit annual pay increases and improved benefits, while an office job would initially pay as little as a third of factory wages. The glut of college graduates is eroding wages even for those with more marketable majors, like computer science. Vocational schools and training programs are unpopular because they suffer from a low status [or are seen as] for people from unsuccessful, poor, or peasant backgrounds. 'The more educated people are, the less they want to work in a factory,' said an unemployed graduate. If we do succeed bringing back factory jobs, are there enough people who want them?

Slashdot

Many Chinese workers are rejecting factory jobs that require no education and pay three times as much as an office job, yet people on this forum want to argue that education is the only way. 

(There are two links and one is highlighted.)

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It appears China and the US are not so different after all....HA HA !

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Neither needs a middle class!

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[Sloppy Santa]

Well someone sure is pissy that the yellows aren't happy being factory wage-slaves... Surprising, ain't it not?

[Bowe]

why do so many people want to turn the US into China?

[Just Me]

Poor Norm, had to go all the way to China to build this strawman, just to redeem a shred of credibilty he lost in another thread.

How many time did you have to google a combination of "college + bad" before you found this Chinese social problem.

Give it up , Norm.

[normh]

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Just Me wrote:

Poor Norm, had to go all the way to China to build this strawman, just to redeem a shred of credibilty he lost in another thread.

How many time did you have to google a combination of "college + bad" before you found this Chinese social problem.

Give it up , Norm.

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Did I go all the way to China?  Or did I only go as far as Slashdot?  Just wondering because I linked to the Slashdot article and scrolling down their page will show the exact article that is the lead to the article.

I also find it difficult to explain that if I went to China that the article linked to in the blue link is from the New York Times Business Day article.  Is not the American continent between NY and the Pacific Ocean, and is it not China about 8000 miles across the Pacific.  So let us be conservative and say that you are off by at least 10,000 miles.

You can't call it plagiarism either because Slashdot is credited.  But you sure can call it you not reading bit making a blind attack.

Now pardon me while I go puke again.  How does your straw taste.

[normh]

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splatbass wrote:

Ok, I'm up to go to work, so I'll explain my point. When work in my field dried up, I moved to another field, which is exactly what you are claiming Americans won't do. But you are wrong, Americans do it all the time.

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Not doubting you, yet I know several people that are still employed as electronic technicians.  But then it may just be that Siemens and Boeing are just down the road, while in the other direction there are a boatload of medical equipment manufacturers and an Intel/Mostek research/manufacturing joint venture.

[Snaporaz]

It's very nice to work in a Chinese factory for $300 the month, damn that's 1800 Yuan, a lot of cash for a farmer girl who is married and sees her child and husband once a years for a few days on new year.

and don't forget shopping in China is a little cheaper then in Paris and Milano.

[Zooey]

A lot of baby boomers did just fine without college degree. The funny thing is that they think their hard work alone was responsible for their success.

[lagger]

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TRTrex wrote:

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normh wrote:

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TRTrex wrote:

If that is what you believe -- seems that what you believe and reality are often 2 different things.  Just like Africa is not a country, like you stated in that thread.

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Sure I make mistakes from time to time.  You have a problem with that.  You were one of those that was arguing that a GED makes a person less valuable than with an HS diploma weren't you.  It is understandable that you would take offense.  And your taking offense is your problem, not mine.

here I am showing that the vualted education may not be useful at all, especially when you are unwilling to step off your high horse and do what it takes to make the bacon.

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*vaulted

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vaunted

[lagger]

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Zooey wrote:
A lot of baby boomers did just fine without college degree. The funny thing is that they think their hard work alone was responsible for their success.

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iow  they Didn't build that ?

[normh]

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lagger wrote:

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TRTrex wrote:

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normh wrote:

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TRTrex wrote:

If that is what you believe -- seems that what you believe and reality are often 2 different things.  Just like Africa is not a country, like you stated in that thread.

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Sure I make mistakes from time to time.  You have a problem with that.  You were one of those that was arguing that a GED makes a person less valuable than with an HS diploma weren't you.  It is understandable that you would take offense.  And your taking offense is your problem, not mine.

here I am showing that the vualted education may not be useful at all, especially when you are unwilling to step off your high horse and do what it takes to make the bacon.

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*vaulted

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vaunted

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vaulted  past participle, past tense of vault (Verb)

Verb

1. Provide (a building or room) with an arched roof or roofs: "a vaulted arcade".
2. Leap or spring while supporting or propelling oneself with one or both hands or with the help of a pole.

Used properly in the context I meant it to be used in: the over arching roof of education, or the the use of education to vault from one place to another.

[normh]

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Zooey wrote:
A lot of baby boomers did just fine without college degree. The funny thing is that they think their hard work alone was responsible for their success.

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Luck and opportunity.  Education may have helped, but it was intent, focus, drive, ambition, available opportunity, and more than a little luck.

[Just Me]

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normh wrote:

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lagger wrote:

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TRTrex wrote:

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normh wrote:

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TRTrex wrote:

If that is what you believe -- seems that what you believe and reality are often 2 different things.  Just like Africa is not a country, like you stated in that thread.

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Sure I make mistakes from time to time.  You have a problem with that.  You were one of those that was arguing that a GED makes a person less valuable than with an HS diploma weren't you.  It is understandable that you would take offense.  And your taking offense is your problem, not mine.

here I am showing that the vualted education may not be useful at all, especially when you are unwilling to step off your high horse and do what it takes to make the bacon.

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*vaulted

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vaunted

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vaulted  past participle, past tense of vault (Verb)

Verb

1. Provide (a building or room) with an arched roof or roofs: "a vaulted arcade".
2. Leap or spring while supporting or propelling oneself with one or both hands or with the help of a pole.

Used properly in the context I meant it to be used in: the over arching roof of education, or the the use of education to vault from one place to another.

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lol, you gett funnier with every post.

lol

[RedRoadEnsemble]

China's downfall will be their total disregard to the environment. Their rivers are toxic.

[Zooey]

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RedRoadEnsemble wrote:

China's downfall will be their total disregard to the environment. Their rivers are toxic.

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They're actually pulling it together.  Since China is the world's manufacturer, most goods manufactured there comply with strict European standards like WEEE and RoHS.  China also has a national law to regulate hazardous chemicals that is very similiar to RoHS. 

[RedRoadEnsemble]

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Zooey wrote:

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RedRoadEnsemble wrote:

China's downfall will be their total disregard to the environment. Their rivers are toxic.

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They're actually pulling it together.  Since China is the world's manufacturer, most goods manufactured there comply with strict European standards like WEEE and RoHS.  China also has a national law to regulate hazardous chemicals that is very similiar to RoHS. 

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That is good news for the Chinese people. Beijing had killer smog recently.