The Political Party

[Red Ant]

htthttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2013/feb/04/richard-iii-skeleton-last-plantagenet-king-liv...

Rathern interesting, especially for history geeks like me

[yanktar]

Yeah, the bones were DNA tested and found to match two of Richard's descendants. As a former King of England, they are being treated with a surprising (I guess) amount of respect, despite being 550 years old and his piss-poor rep in history (Mainly due to Shakespeare, who, for reasons of keeping his head, had to suck up to the Tudors.  Henry Tudor aka Henry VII, defeated Richard III to claim the crown and end the War of the Roses. Henry VII doesn't get the play Henry VIII does but he was actually far more interesting.).

[Zig al-din]

Interesting! "My kingdom for a parking spot!"

The article I saw mentions *ahem* 'humiliation injuries', such as might have been made by a halberd to the buttocks.

I've been reading a lot about the Plantagenet kings and have been thinking about doing a tour of the historical sites. Gotta add the car park to the list!

[Red Ant]

I find neither as interesting as the rulers of England (& France) earlier on during the peak of the 100 years' war. I find the period between Crecy and Agincourt fascinating.

[moonlightin]

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yanktar wrote:

Yeah, the bones were DNA tested and found to match two of Richard's descendants. As a former King of England, they are being treated with a surprising (I guess) amount of respect, despite being 550 years old and his piss-poor rep in history (Mainly due to Shakespeare, who, for reasons of keeping his head, had to suck up to the Tudors.  Henry Tudor aka Henry VII, defeated Richard III to claim the crown and end the War of the Roses. Henry VII doesn't get the play Henry VIII does but he was actually far more interesting.).

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I did hear the tudors did a lot of writing of that history.

[Zig al-din]

I'm mostly into the period from Henry II to Henry IV -- it drops off a bit for me after that, but the War of the Roses and the Edward IV reign are also interesting.

That mini-series BBC did on Henry VIII was unwatchable for me, but lots of people recommended it.  

[nice keetee]

Jimmy Hoffa.

[moogerfooger]

I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

[newbie chick]

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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The skeleton of Richard III was found buried under a parking lot.

Id like to know why the kind was buried in an apparently unmarked tomb close to Bosworth Field instead of having his body returned to London for an interment befitting a king.  

[Daryl Flynn]

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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[Opposite Day]

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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Wasn't this, like, the plot to 48 hours?

[thankyou]

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newbie chick wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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The skeleton of Richard III was found buried under a parking lot.

Id like to know why the kind was buried in an apparently unmarked tomb close to Bosworth Field instead of having his body returned to London for an interment befitting a king.  

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ATTN Red Ant:

Take the first htt off the link and you can read the story.

Richard was in a war for the crown that was taken from him in that last battle.  As the loser, I don't think the winners were planning on a big funeral for him.  It says that a monestary ended up burying him under their chapel.

[E-money]

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newbie chick wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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The skeleton of Richard III was found buried under a parking lot.

Id like to know why the kind was buried in an apparently unmarked tomb close to Bosworth Field instead of having his body returned to London for an interment befitting a king.  

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The families hated each other and had been at war for years.  When Richard III died in battle that day, it was the end of his family's rule.  I think I read somewhere that monks retrieved his body and buried it.

I still want to know who killed his nephews.  The Richard III Society is hoping to clear Richard III name, but to me this is still the missing piece of the puzzle.  Richard needed his nephews out of the way to become King and I'm failry certain he must have had something to do with their murder.

[Zig al-din]

Consider the Yorkists had done what they could to completely exterminate the Lancasters, it's not that surprising that he was buried in ignominiously. One of Henry VII's better moves from the view of healing the wounds fot he past was to marry a Yorkist...

[rushtallica]

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yanktar wrote:

Yeah, the bones were DNA tested and found to match two of Richard's descendants. As a former King of England, they are being treated with a surprising (I guess) amount of respect, despite being 550 years old and his piss-poor rep in history (Mainly due to Shakespeare, who, for reasons of keeping his head, had to suck up to the Tudors.  Henry Tudor aka Henry VII, defeated Richard III to claim the crown and end the War of the Roses. Henry VII doesn't get the play Henry VIII does but he was actually far more interesting.).

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If Richard III had many guns, this wouldn't have happened.

[yanktar]

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moonlightin wrote:

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yanktar wrote:

Yeah, the bones were DNA tested and found to match two of Richard's descendants. As a former King of England, they are being treated with a surprising (I guess) amount of respect, despite being 550 years old and his piss-poor rep in history (Mainly due to Shakespeare, who, for reasons of keeping his head, had to suck up to the Tudors.  Henry Tudor aka Henry VII, defeated Richard III to claim the crown and end the War of the Roses. Henry VII doesn't get the play Henry VIII does but he was actually far more interesting.).

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I did hear the tudors did a lot of writing of that history.

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Historians today don't simply take the "official" histories at their word.  They seek other contemporary documents to paint a picture of what was going on.  It could be a letter, a deed, a contract, a planting record, church records of baptisms, marriages and deaths,  etc.  IOW, primary source documents as opposed to secondary sources, like histories.  Not my area but I'd guess they've done a lot of this.  In fact, the site was described in the 1600's as Richard's burial site and they were a few hundred yards off from where they thought the bones would be.

[newbie chick]

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thankyou wrote:

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newbie chick wrote:

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moogerfooger wrote:
I'm confused. they were in a parked car? just how old was this car? I be more excited about a car that was that old, fuck those old skells

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The skeleton of Richard III was found buried under a parking lot.

Id like to know why the kind was buried in an apparently unmarked tomb close to Bosworth Field instead of having his body returned to London for an interment befitting a king.  

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ATTN Red Ant:

Take the first htt off the link and you can read the story.

Richard was in a war for the crown that was taken from him in that last battle.  As the loser, I don't think the winners were planning on a big funeral for him.  It says that a monastery ended up burying him under their chapel.

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I read the book, so I am quite familiar with the War of the Roses and who the losers were, but even a losing King usually recieves a burial deserving of his (former) social standing.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Wars-of-the-Roses-J-R-Lander/e/9780750946124?r=1&cm_mmc=GooglePLA-_...

[Zig al-din]

A lot of people don't realize that Richard III was actually a very accomplished dancer, in spite of his physical deformities. Hence the line, "Now is the winter of our discotheques..." 

[Red Ant]

[Opposite Day]

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Zig al-din wrote:

A lot of people don't realize that Richard III was actually a very accomplished dancer, in spite of his physical deformities. Hence the line, "Now is the winter of our discotheques..." 

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My uncle would love this one.