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[coyote-1]

146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

[moonlightin]

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coyote-1 wrote:
146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

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Hey! Since when do you dare bring in dem dar facts and figures thingies. Repugs around here these parts just don't take a hankerin' to that sort of thing. Careful, they's might be reachin' for them thar pea shooters.

[Ed]

Inmates have already shown a propensity to ignoring things like laws, and the correctional officers are not concerned with anything more natural than going home alive. The reason why you dont want inmates armed is because they are against their will, so that is a ridiculous argument to make.

The hospital thing, if true, is a problem for health care workers because they often blame the staff for not performing a miracle. Tensions often run really high in hospitals, when a loved one is placed in the hands of those people, and things just don't work out.

So yeah, get back to me when most school shootings occur with guns taken from teachers or resource officers.

[nedezero1]

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coyote-1 wrote:

And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

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Umm comparing to prisons to schools?

You do realize there's about 100:1 ratio of violent killers to prison guards ratio right?

And, there's a lot of firearms in prisons. It's just they're on the secondary layer of security to prevent escape and riots.

Based on your logic, cops shouldn't be armed either.

[PFB]

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Ed wrote:

Inmates have already shown a propensity to ignoring things like laws, and the correctional officers are not concerned with anything more natural than going home alive. The reason why you dont want inmates armed is because they are against their will, so that is a ridiculous argument to make.

The hospital thing, if true, is a problem for health care workers because they often blame the staff for not performing a miracle. Tensions often run really high in hospitals, when a loved one is placed in the hands of those people, and things just don't work out.

So yeah, get back to me when most school shootings occur with guns taken from teachers or resource officers.

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I think you missed the point of the study. Before people can start taking their weapons to start causing the majority of school shootings, you will first have to arm lots of teachers.

[coyote-1]

Further data: 13% of hospital shootings occur in Northern cities in gun controlled areas.
44% of hospital shootings occur in the gun-friendly Confederacy.

[Ed]

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PFB wrote:

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Ed wrote:

Inmates have already shown a propensity to ignoring things like laws, and the correctional officers are not concerned with anything more natural than going home alive. The reason why you dont want inmates armed is because they are against their will, so that is a ridiculous argument to make.

The hospital thing, if true, is a problem for health care workers because they often blame the staff for not performing a miracle. Tensions often run really high in hospitals, when a loved one is placed in the hands of those people, and things just don't work out.

So yeah, get back to me when most school shootings occur with guns taken from teachers or resource officers.

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I think you missed the point of the study. Before people can start taking their weapons to start causing the majority of school shootings, you will first have to arm lots of teachers.

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The study had nothing to do with teachers. It had to do with hospitals, so why not get rid of armed guards at hospitals?

[coyote-1]

Ed and Ned, this is what I love about you righties. You're utterly incapable of analogy, of trend analysis, of data correlation, of grasping situational similarity. lol

[kav]

[nedezero1]

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kav wrote:

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Based on this logic, Obama's security detail should disarm immediately.

[kav]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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kav wrote:

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Based on this logic, Obama's security detail should disarm immediately.

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Well, perhaps if everyone else were disarmed you could contemplate such a thing, ned, but we all know that's not going to happen.

[Booker]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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kav wrote:

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Based on this logic, Obama's security detail should disarm immediately.

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Your right, in a perfect world they wouldn't have to guard the president with guns. Unfortunately nutcases with guns exist...

[Ed]

And the reason it is not a perfect world is why all of these gun laws are stupid.

People have a right to defend themselves. And that is that. Talking about how you dont have a right to a certain type of defense is stupid.

[Booker]

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Ed wrote:
And the reason it is not a perfect world is why all of these gun laws are stupid.

People have a right to defend themselves. And that is that. Talking about how you dont have a right to a certain type of defense is stupid.

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So you're cool with people, lets say iran, owning nuclear weapons.

[Ed]

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Booker wrote:

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Ed wrote:
And the reason it is not a perfect world is why all of these gun laws are stupid.

People have a right to defend themselves. And that is that. Talking about how you dont have a right to a certain type of defense is stupid.

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So you're cool with people, lets say iran, owning nuclear weapons.

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Iran is a country that can decide for itself whether they want nukes or not. I sure the hell don't blame them for wanting them.

Am I cool with it? No, but the world is what the world is. They have enemies that have nukes. If I was the boss of Iran, I would have long ago told America to piss off.

[yanktar]

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nedezero1 wrote:

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kav wrote:

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Based on this logic, Obama's security detail should disarm immediately.

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You'd love that, woudn't you?  You sick fvck.

[Daryl Flynn]

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coyote-1 wrote:
146 hospital shootings resulting in 250+ deaths and injuries since the year 2000.

A majority of perps described as "determined shooters". A majority of shooters had close personal association with at least one of their victims. Now the fun part: 30% of shootings occurred in emergency departments... and fully 50% of those emergency dept. shootings were perpetrated with weapons that the perp did not possess at the time he/she entered the hospital. In other words, the perp managed to take a gun off whatever security person or cop was around at the time.

Think about that when you consider arming teachers, school administrators, etc. In six sigma management consulting, the objective is to remove opportunities for error. If 15% of hospital shootings occur simply because of the occasional presence of security firearms in the ER, what's gonna happen when the schools get flooded with firearms in the hands of distracted educators??

And if you want to know what law enforcement thinks about the concept of removing the opportunity for error by removing firearms, visit any prison. The guards that work among the inmate population DO NOT CARRY GUNS. Take a guess as to why.

Now re-imagine arming the teachers. Still a great idea??

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Most likely gang members or like types in the emergency rooms taking the guns. Shooting up schools isn't their thing. That's the domain of disturbed underage weirdos, who are usually armed to the teeth anyway.

Undercover armed security in schools. One well trained guy is enough. Sharpshooter.

[Daryl Flynn]

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kav wrote:

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Reagan was a badass.

[madryan]

I think arming teachers is idiocy...  

[dughaze]

Let's see.  This country didn't have any of this silly shit going on 40 years ago when it was pretty conservatiive and now that it is becoming more progressive and shit is going haywire we need some more laws implemented by the progressive crowd?