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18 Musicians and roadies shot dead

Its easy to forget that a war rages just south of our border:

Surviving Band Member Leads Police To Bodies : NPR


Surviving Band Member Leads Police To Bodies

by The Associated Press
January 28, 2013 9:12 PM

MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) — The Colombian-style music group was playing at a ranch in northern Mexico when at least 10 gunmen entered the warehouse where the private party was being held and forced them and several crew members into waiting vehicles, a survivor of the attack told authorities.

Nuevo Leon state security spokesman Jorge Domene said the survivor, a member of the Kombo Kolombia band, told police the 18 were blindfolded and driven on dirt roads until they stopped. He then heard the assailants ask fellow band members if they belonged to a drug cartel, shots were fired and the bodies were dumped into a well.

Domene said the survivor, who is being protected by soldiers, was able to reach a nearby ranch and get help. He wouldn't give details on how the man was able to escape.

The man later led authorities to the well where searchers found several bodies, Domene said.

Domene said four bodies first pulled from the well on Sunday have been identified by their relatives, including a Colombian citizen who played the keyboard. Three of them were wearing matching T-shirt with the name of the band.

"The search will continue ... to see how many more bodies may be hidden there," he said.

By Monday afternoon, searchers had pulled 12 bodies from the well along a dirt road in the town of Mina, about 140 miles (225 kilometers) from Laredo, Texas, Domene said.

The bodies recovered showed signs of torture, said a forensic official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment publicly on the case.

It was hard to determine how many more bodies were submersed in the water, he said.

Authorities initially said 16 members of the band Kombo Kolombia and four crew members were reported missing early Friday after playing at a private party attended by about 50 people and held at a ranch called La Carreta, or The Wagon, in the town of Hidalgo north of Monterrey.

But Domene said Monday 18 band members had gone missing. He didn't say how many were crew members and how many were musicians.

The party guests are being questioned and police have yet to determine a motive in the killings, Domene said.

Nuevo Leon state, on the border with Texas, has been the scene of a turf battle between members of the Gulf drug cartel and the Zetas drug gang. The Zetas were hit men for the Gulf cartel until they split in 2010, unleashing their bloody war.

People living near the ranch in Hidalgo reported hearing gunshots at about 4 a.m. Friday, followed by the sound of vehicles speeding away, said a separate source with the Nuevo Leon State Investigative Agency. He also spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to be quoted by the news media.

The officials added that gunfire is common in the area and said investigators found spent bullets nearby.

Relatives filed a missing persons report on Friday after losing cellular phone contact with the musicians. When they went to the ranch to investigate, they found the band members' vehicles still parked outside.

Kombo Kolombia has played a Colombian style of music known as vallenato, which is popular in working class neighborhood in the city of Monterrey and other parts of Nuevo Leon state. Most of the group's musicians were from the area, except for the keyboard player who is Colombian and had Mexican residency, Domene said.

The band regularly played at bars in downtown Monterrey on the weekend. At least two of the bars where they had played had been attacked by gunmen.

It was Mexico's largest single kidnapping since 20 tourists from the western state of Michoacan were abducted in Acapulco in 2010. Most of their bodies were found a month later in a mass grave. Authorities said the tourists were mistaken for cartel members.

Members of other musical groups have been murdered in Mexico in recent years, usually groups that perform "narcocorridos" that celebrate the exploits of drug traffickers. But Kombo Kolombia did not play that type of music, and its lyrics were about love and heartbreak and did not deal with violence or drug trafficking.

But singers of drug exploits are not the only musicians targeted, said Elijah Wald, author of the book, "Narcocorrido: A Journey into the Music of Drugs, Guns and Guerrillas."

"There is really not correlation. Drug guys hire people to play for their parties and they hire whatever is happening," he said. "Sergio Gomez, the single-most famous singer killed from K-Paz de la Sierra, his big hit was a version of 'Jambalaya.'"

Gomez was kidnapped and found strangled and tortured in 2007 in the western state of Michoacan, a day after Zayda Pena of the group Zayda and the Guilty Ones was shot in a hospital while recovering from a separate bullet wound in the border town of Matamoros, across from Brownsville, Texas.

Valentin Elizalde, "El Gallo de Oro," was shot to death along with his manager and driver in 2006 following a performance in Reynosa, across the border from McAllen, Texas. Norteno singer Sergio Vega was shot dead in a northern state of Sinaloa in 2010.

"A lot of people are being killed because they're in the wrong place at the wrong time and musicians are some of the people on that list," Wald said.



The mustve sucked badly....Steely Dan covers?
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Not particularly funny, train.
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shit like that can happen when you can't play
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No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 

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No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 


So, we're going to have to ban assault weapons in Mehico too.  And don't forget those canucks up there!  They get all hopped up on hockey and bacon, it can get ugly.

 

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I wonder if this is the first time bodies have been dumped there or if it's a regular dumping ground. Seems to me that if they could trap the killers there then that might help.

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well, at least all this killing biz is privately owned in the US,

in Germany it was all owned by the government, that's why it didn't work out well
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TIMKEYS wrote:

No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 


 

these types of guesses and assumptions by you are an excellant window into your thinking process.

 

and i do appreciate how defensive gun advocates have recently become, what with public pressure for gun control rising after a string of mass shootings.

 

are you deliberately exaggerating though, or do you actually believe that obama wants all guns currently in the hands of US citizens banned?

 

i suspect hyperbole, but would rather hear you fess up to it than assume.

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trainset wrote:
Its easy to forget that a war rages just south of our border:

The mustve sucked badly....Steely Dan covers?


it's the good doc's fault. She's behind schedule poisoning all those mexicans

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Tom Hicks wrote:

TIMKEYS wrote:

No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 


 

these types of guesses and assumptions by you are an excellant window into your thinking process.

 

and i do appreciate how defensive gun advocates have recently become, what with public pressure for gun control rising after a string of mass shootings.

 

are you deliberately exaggerating though, or do you actually believe that obama wants all guns currently in the hands of US citizens banned?

 

i suspect hyperbole, but would rather hear you fess up to it than assume.


If obama thought he could get a complete gun band he would go for it.  Look at his voting record on guns.

 

As for the mass shooting in Conn.   They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country,   Banning guns doesnt work.   When you ban guns ,, only the criminals, and goverment have guns.   That is one of the problems in mexico.     We feel the effects where I live.  Much of our summer business is from mexican nationals.  They are scared to travel north to vacation on the beach.  Our main industry is from tourism.  The mexican nationals who visit our town, are very upscale and spend a lot of money.  Its hurting us big time.

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Good thing they banned guns in Mexico.

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TIMKEYS wrote:

Tom Hicks wrote:

TIMKEYS wrote:

No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 


 

these types of guesses and assumptions by you are an excellant window into your thinking process.

 

and i do appreciate how defensive gun advocates have recently become, what with public pressure for gun control rising after a string of mass shootings.

 

are you deliberately exaggerating though, or do you actually believe that obama wants all guns currently in the hands of US citizens banned?

 

i suspect hyperbole, but would rather hear you fess up to it than assume.


If obama thought he could get a complete gun band he would go for it.  Look at his voting record on guns.

 

As for the mass shooting in Conn.   They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country,   Banning guns doesnt work.   When you ban guns ,, only the criminals, and goverment have guns.   That is one of the problems in mexico.     We feel the effects where I live.  Much of our summer business is from mexican nationals.  They are scared to travel north to vacation on the beach.  Our main industry is from tourism.  The mexican nationals who visit our town, are very upscale and spend a lot of money.  Its hurting us big time.


  if you had any evidence of obama in the past voting to ban all gun ownership in the US, you would post it. since you don't post any such evidence, you make a vague insinuation without any support to suggest such a thing anyway. which i dismiss as an unsupported insinuation.

 

let's get back to whether you are deliberately exaggerating about obama. is there a public comment he made which you can cite that supports your insuation he wants to ban all guns in the US?

 

i don't think you have any such evidence, but that you have decided to try to sell the false notion anyway. can you at least fess up on your motives to make deliberately false statements about his position on gun control?

 

that is understandable, as far more people support regulations of gun than outright banning. so it makes more sense for you to launch a false attack based on gun banning than an on-target attack against regulation. typical strawman targeting. but confession is good for the soul. you will feel better admiting the truth.

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TIMKEYS wrote:

No its not easy to forget.  I live on the texas / mexico border.   Its not easy to forget that obama and holder walked guns into mexico and put them in the hands of the cartel.   I guess they felt it would move their gun ban agenda if they got some mexicans and US citizens killed. 


I live on the California / Mexico border...its easy to forget

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TIMKEYS wrote:



If obama thought he could get a complete gun band he would go for it.  Look at his voting record on guns.

 

As for the mass shooting in Conn.   They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country,   Banning guns doesnt work.   When you ban guns ,, only the criminals, and goverment have guns.   That is one of the problems in mexico.     We feel the effects where I live.  Much of our summer business is from mexican nationals.  They are scared to travel north to vacation on the beach.  Our main industry is from tourism.  The mexican nationals who visit our town, are very upscale and spend a lot of money.  Its hurting us big time.


A complete gun band? What would their names be? I think sex pistols is already taken.

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Daryl Flynn wrote:

Good thing they banned guns in Mexico.


lol

 

 

Guns arent banned in Mexico dumbass

 

"the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico

 

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If obama thought he could get a complete gun band he would go for it.  Look at his voting record on guns.

 

As for the mass shooting in Conn.   They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country,   Banning guns doesnt work.   When you ban guns ,, only the criminals, and goverment have guns.   That is one of the problems in mexico.     We feel the effects where I live.  Much of our summer business is from mexican nationals.  They are scared to travel north to vacation on the beach.  Our main industry is from tourism.  The mexican nationals who visit our town, are very upscale and spend a lot of money.  Its hurting us big time.


A complete gun band? What would their names be? I think sex pistols is already taken.


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In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns."  Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, his staff claimed that Obama never filled out the mentioned survey and that the form had been filled out by an aide who "mischaracterized" Obama's position on gun control.  Skeptics believe Obama's campaign lied by making such an assertion.  An examination by Politico found that Obama's own handwriting was found on the document.    Obama is also a liar.

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TIMKEYS wrote:

In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns."  Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, his staff claimed that Obama never filled out the mentioned survey and that the form had been filled out by an aide who "mischaracterized" Obama's position on gun control.  Skeptics believe Obama's campaign lied by making such an assertion.  An examination by Politico found that Obama's own handwriting was found on the document.    Obama is also a liar.


 

 

what about rifles and shotguns then? are you trying to support an argument claiming obama supported handgun banning, or instead are you trying to support an argument based on the premise that he supported the banning of all guns?

 

be as specific in your reply as your honesty allows.

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