04-12-2013 07:46 AM - edited 04-12-2013 08:24 AM
My latest project is learning Satch's "Always With Me, Always With You" by ear. One of those tunes I always liked, but never learned. I thoguht it'd be a good challenge for my ear - not so hard I can't do it, but not so easy I can do it without some work..
For some of the faster sections I have to listen to the same tiny 1/2 second lick 50 times before I really hear it. What's been working is just getting ONE note (first, last, or one that's being held a bit longer) in my ear and building forward or backward from there. Also, just listening to the rhythm of the lick - get the rhythmic pattern without worrying about what the notes are. That's actually a better first step.
Spent more than a few minutes with the right hand on the mouse, clicking the 'start position' of a lick, with my left hand on the fretboard, trying to figure it out over and over (and over)...
04-12-2013 11:48 AM
You could make it easier on yourself (but maybe less "interesting", less "challenging") by using a slowdowner, esp one that lets you loop easily.
I always use Transcribe for this kind of thing, even when I could do it at full speed - because I like to be really sure, as well as save time.
Of course to actually play it (once learned), you need to run it at full speed.
04-12-2013 12:46 PM
I use Transcribe, too. My computer crashed and I had to buy it again. I have been working on the Hotel California solo and was doing the same thing. Transcribe allows you to loop the same part over and over and you can slow it down. You can also eq out the lows, but I usually don't do that.
04-12-2013 01:56 PM
Trying not to use a slower-downer, but we'll see how it goes on some of the faster parts later on. I'm not opposed to it if my ear just can't get it after a good faith effort
Not sure how I'd have faired on this if i had to lift the needle on the record player to hear a lick again. It'd take me a lot longer, but I'd probably have a better ear... trying to find the balance...
06-08-2013 02:25 PM - edited 06-08-2013 02:28 PM
Didn't actually take too long. Pretty much had it after a couple weeks. One thing that did trip me up was finger position. My first attempt at a few passages were done in a place where the fingering and articulation were tricky. Took a little while before it dawned on me that if I play the a particular run starting in position VII, for example, instead of XII then it sounded better and played easier. Anyways, I know some of the "feel" is a bit off, but I think (hope) it's reasonably accurate.
06-10-2013 05:14 AM
06-10-2013 04:04 PM
Nicely done Bydo! Sounds like you have it pretty much nailed. As a constructive I would say your timing needs some work. You are rushing then dragging kind of all over the place. I know Joe does that too ... But his command of the pocket is so sound he an make it work. Ya got ta get in, to get out and all!
Well done bro
Thanks Jeremy - no surprises there. I could definitely tell I was rushing in a few places. Joe's phrasing is so weird - it all works on the record, but it took some time to start to get the feel of it because a lot of the phrases don't start on the 1, or other typical "rock" places. The phrases kind of float in and out of the bars, but like you said he makes it work.
It was a fun excercise. A little more practice playing through and I'm sure I can nail the timing, just have to get more comfortable with it and "own" it. As usual, learning the notes takes less time than learning how to perfectly play those notes. Just "getting it" takes about a third of the time, getting it polished, professional and 'indestructible' takes about two thirds of the time (if not more). I've found that to be true in a lot of pieces I've learned over the last few years. I get all proud of myself for "learning something" but then I spend way longer trying to get it to really sound good.