03-04-2012 01:43 PM
03-04-2012 03:42 PM
03-04-2012 03:46 PM
Indeed. It is one of the places that G7b9 comes from.
03-06-2012 01:39 PM
03-06-2012 02:53 PM
03-06-2012 06:46 PM
and both are the Eb major scale with #5 just starting from different notes (keys). Sometimes it's helpful to know it's all variation of the same thing
03-06-2012 08:14 PM
03-06-2012 08:39 PM
but neither of them are Eb Ionian #5. Just because they have the same notes, it doesn't make them the same. The only reason it's also C harmonic minor is because that's the parent scale where G Phrygian Dominant is derived from.
"Thats like if someone asked about the notes G-A-Bb-C-D-E-F-G and recognized G as the root. The appropriate answer would be G Dorian, not A Phrygian" I said "both".
03-06-2012 08:44 PM
A better analogy would have been to say it is a G Major scale with a b7 and a b9...or better yet G Myxolydian b9. This is what describes the chord and the mode. I prefer phrygian dominant myself. These names are very descriptive and quite simple as well. The only thing, in my eyes, that over complicates things is when there is no awareness in the first place of what something is or where it originated from. Theory is not hard nor complicated, on the surface. It is simple math. Most teachers fail at conveying this. Eb#5 is not why G phrygian dominant is what it is. C harmonic minor, the parent key of both, is the source and the why of, where Eb#5 and G7b9 come from. Nothing else. BTW, there was no key change inferred by the naming of these chords.
You stated the what (appropriate answer) and I added the why. Many people find theory overcomplicated because of multiple non-descriptive scale names simply describing a key change.
03-07-2012 03:09 AM
Yes. "G phrygian dominant" is "dominant" because G is the "dominant" degree (V) of the C minor scale. (And also because the 7th chord built on the V degree of C harmonic minor is a "dominant 7th" chord type: with a major 3rd and minor 7th.) The "phrygian" adjective comes from the fact the scale - counted from the G root - has a b2 (Ab), which is considered the distinctive interval in "phrygian mode" (which is not otherwise connected with C minor). To get back to the OP's question, "G phrygian dominant" is not only the 5th mode of C harmonic minor. It occurs in some Arabic (and Arabic-inspired Spanish flamenco) music as a scale in its own right, with G as root - which is how the OP heard it. This is why it makes sense to give it its own name, and not just think of it as "V of C minor"; that's how we think of it in the west, but the concept of "C minor" might not make any sense to an Arab musician, certainly not if they were treating G as the keynote.
Eb#5 is not why G phrygian dominant is what it is. C harmonic minor, the parent key of both, is the source and the why of, where Eb#5 and G7b9 come from. Nothing else.
03-07-2012 07:11 AM
03-07-2012 11:11 AM
It also implies tacitly the b6 I left out in my G7b9 description. But in context to my original statement about Ionian #5, C HM is the origin of both this and phrygian dom, not the other way around. It does not take much learning the relationships of intervals and how these relate to modes and their naming. A little knowledge can go a long way.
The "phrygian" adjective comes from the fact the scale - counted from the G root - has a b2 (Ab)
03-07-2012 01:58 PM
03-07-2012 03:56 PM
totally wrong. modal systems were the first used. tonal systems came later. you're really out of your element here...
Wow it's mind blowing just how many people witnessed the creation of scales and can tell us what was derived from what. Think of how they relate not what came first. A Major scale mode depicts seven notes and which one of those notes the musical statement resolves called the key. It is much simpler than you have been taught. You can choose to use the modal naming system (Ionian, Dorian) or another system (Major Scale, Minor Scale, Spanish Gypsy) or mix and match (Phrygian Dominant) but understand all these modes and variations regardless of which came first reference the Major Scale for the sake of communication.
03-07-2012 05:04 PM
03-07-2012 05:06 PM