10-11-2012 08:02 AM
Gorn - be tempt.
now ^there's^ an idea! Don't temp me!
10-11-2012 09:45 AM
10-11-2012 09:51 AM
OK, this one has been bouncing around in my head all morning and I have two thoughts.
1) You don't need anything more as far as hooks go. It has more than enough staying power as it is and just the title alone brings those parts immediately to mind.
2) Stick is on the right track, but the more I consider it, the more I think he is snipping the wrong part. To me, the rap part - even without the rap - is the offender here. For my money, you should do as such:
2:00 - 2:15: Keep intact
2:15 - 2:23: Keep, but add elements of a build here, as if the song is getting ready to really explode, then jump directly to 2:37 as is, so you get a halt in the momentum but the guitar tells you it is only a matter of time before it all surges ahead again. You can even toss in a Steve Tyler "Guitar!" of "Oh!" once it all kicks back in.
For this idea to work, you can't deek us out on the start of the solo, though. You'd need to trim off 2:39-2:41, so that 2:37-2:38 lick leads directly into a rip-ass solo.
I've played this in my head so many times that I am 100% certain it will work and cure all that ails this tune.
10-11-2012 10:12 AM
Cool! I'll look into this. I like it. As far as a "rip ass" solo goes though, I'm afraid that's all I got. I don't really want to redo that. I like it. So, that's about as rip ass as it's going to get unfortuanately.
10-11-2012 10:12 AM
10-11-2012 11:19 AM
Well, I will strike a disparaging remark. I like the Rap version. This version is quite good, of course. But there's more meat on the bone with the whole Rap thing. Of course both versions stand quite nicely side by side. With this, non-rap-version, I am aware that the song is basically over at 2:12. Everything after that is repeat, or instrumental of repeat. I find that kinda tiring*. Of course I'm not much of a pop guy. But the last minute and a half doesn't offer anything new. That's sort of why I like the Rap and then a quick return to chorus and out. It sounds fresher.
But of course both versions are very excellent.
(* - My philosophy is to leave the listener wanting more; not tired and waiting for the end. I found myself tired at the end of this. Of course, as I said, I'm not much of a pop guy. You certainly hold my attention strong for the first 2:12.)
10-11-2012 04:39 PM
10-11-2012 05:14 PM
Well you do damn good work. I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud. Take it or leave it.
You da man.
10-12-2012 04:41 PM
10-12-2012 05:10 PM
Thanks Len. I always stop when there's Len input. Thank you. The next version is an attempt to take those points you made a little further. Thank you, sir.
I miss the rap as well but this version is so much better as it is and I think it ends quite nicely. Lot's of things caught my attention from a production standpoint..... The bells that mirror the hook, and particularly the distorted guitar that does the same. Those are very cool and really drive that hook home The way the vocals move around......the listener needs to be paying attention and the payoff for that attention is big. The 'ooheeeooohs'.......bringing them more in to focus at the end is a winner. After another listen....I don't miss the rap so much. Great tune.:wave: