03-15-2013 05:41 PM - edited 03-15-2013 05:44 PM
Taking Phil's last minute suggestion 'Dancing the Bottle Tonight' and lots of ideas from everyone else, and some key rewrites to make it work better I think...
V1
Holding you tight, swayin' to the rhythm of the band
Tonight... you might be my only friend
I'm not dancing on my own, I've got you in my hand
A few more rounds for this old heart to mend
C1
So will you be my partner as I glide across the floor?
Will you be here waiting... when I come back for more?
How I wish it was her I was holdin' tight
But I'm dancin' the bottle tonight
Yeah, I'm just dancin' the bottle tonight
V2
I'm not feelin' any pain, not anything at all
Bottle, you've done all that you can do
You've washed away my misery, lift'd me from a fall
Come mornin', I'll have a different point of view
C2
So will you be my partner as I glide across the floor?
Will you be here waiting... when I come back for more?
How I wish it was her I was holdin' tight
But I'm dancin' the bottle tonight
Yeah, I'm just dancin' the bottle tonight
03-15-2013 06:00 PM
It's sounding good. I think playing to this title makes it hang together better.
Musically, I was wondering whether it could be a bit 'lazier'.
Whenever I sing this Dylan song with friends, we can't help ourselves but sing like a drunken choir. Still retaining your vocal melody, do you think it would help the song to have a tipsy, mellow mood?
03-15-2013 06:03 PM
I'll be going for a modern version of this...
03-15-2013 06:18 PM
^^^
OK - You know your 'Country'. I know my John Barleycorn.
03-15-2013 06:28 PM
Lee Knight wrote:Taking Phil's last minute suggestion 'Dancing the Bottle Tonight' and lots of ideas from everyone else, and some key rewrites to make it work better I think...
Excellent!
03-15-2013 06:53 PM
LCK wrote:
Lee Knight wrote:Taking Phil's last minute suggestion 'Dancing the Bottle Tonight' and lots of ideas from everyone else, and some key rewrites to make it work better I think...
Excellent!
Hey now! Thanks, cool. So I'll try to do a swing feel like that Crowell song but use some heavier modern overdriven guitars, nothing heavy but a little attitude. Make it swing like a cowboy whirling dervish with a long neck Bud. So we get the picture of him spinning around on his own...
...lyric polish up ideas of course still encouraged.
As far as structure, it feels like a modified verse for some quick solo action into a last wrap up chorus and out. A bridge could be possible but I'm not sure it needs it. It feels like it should be brief and to the point. 3:30 seconds or so... then gone.
03-15-2013 08:52 PM - edited 03-15-2013 09:25 PM
03-15-2013 09:04 PM
A little break from all the hard work... ![]()
03-16-2013 06:57 AM
I had a similar idea as OGP, more of a mellow, late night energy rather than first arriving levels. Have the melody show he's been at it a while. This is how it sounded in my head.
03-16-2013 07:21 AM
Lee Knight wrote:
I'll be going for a modern version of this...
Are you going to grow an awesome mullet too?
Upon first listen, I found myself agreeing with OGP and Os about the need to make it sound lazier/sadder/drunker. But after listening to Justin's sample, I don't think that's the right take, either. Sounds too draggy, especially in the chorus.
I think it might just be the soft tone of the fingerpicked guitar that makes the rough demo sound too pretty. Give it a good honky-tonk production, and I think you'll be fine.
03-16-2013 07:55 AM - edited 03-16-2013 08:25 AM
Monkey Uncle wrote:
Lee Knight wrote:
I'll be going for a modern version of this...
Are you going to grow an awesome mullet too?
Upon first listen, I found myself agreeing with OGP and Os about the need to make it sound lazier/sadder/drunker. But after listening to Justin's sample, I don't think that's the right take, either. Sounds too draggy, especially in the chorus.
I think it might just be the soft tone of the fingerpicked guitar that makes the rough demo sound too pretty. Give it a good honky-tonk production, and I think you'll be fine.
That's what they call a drawl, not a drag. ![]()
I have to admit that I'm not hearing what you are hearing. Give that sucker a decent arrangement, particularly in the chorus, and I don't think it would drag at all. But what do I know? ![]()
03-16-2013 07:56 AM
Yeah... that is an awesome mullet! Regarding the tempo and style...
...it is too fast right now. I had some issues with getting a shuffle represented on the guitar and sort of choked there. So the tempo will be more closely matched with the Crowel tune. It never occurred to me to take this at a lazier tempo and while I'm surprised how well that does work, it also robs the tune of the element of Friday night party on the dance floor. I love that Dylan tune and love your take on it Justin but... I'm trying to go country radio here. I don't hear that lyric as being able to support that type of introspection.
Granted, my take does not display any of the attributes I'm hearing in my head but that's more of a performance issue. It's hard for me to swing and play like I'm hearing. But tracking it out... I think it'll be cool. And hopefully display a little humor and sadness instead of just sadness.
03-16-2013 08:24 AM
Yeah, it definitely loses the humor, but I just love it this way. I just listened again and I'm even more sold on the slow version than I was before.
Finish your tune up and I'll be Ryan Adams to your Oasis. ![]()
03-16-2013 08:32 AM
Oswlek wrote:Yeah, it definitely loses the humor, but I just love it this way. I just listened again and I'm even more sold on the slow version than I was before.
Finish your tune up and I'll be Ryan Adams to your Oasis.
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03-16-2013 08:55 AM - edited 03-16-2013 08:58 AM
Lee Knight wrote:Granted, my take does not display any of the attributes I'm hearing in my head but that's more of a performance issue. It's hard for me to swing and play like I'm hearing.
I got that the video was just a first stab at what you're going for. My "thumbs up" was for the way it's starting to gel.
BTW, that's my favorite Rodney Crowell song. It feels more like Bakersfield than Texas to me, though.
03-16-2013 10:13 AM
I'm coming at this fresh, since I wasn't a part of the original crit. For me, "Dancing the Bottle" doesn't quite hang--it sounds like (or maybe is) a play on a phrase that I'm not familiar with. Either "The Bottle" is a dance that I haven't heard of, or I'm wanting to hear "dancing WITH the bottle". As someone who's just walked into the room, it feels like the title has evolved from an original idea, to the point that it can be tracked back to the original impulse, but got away from the intended meaning.
Aside from that, I like the melody--it's so hard to not just retread an old melody when doing country music, but you've got a couple of left turns that are unexpected but still feel natural. As you're singing it right now, the "bot-tle" in the chorus is really spaced out, to the point that I don't know if I would have even recognized the word had I not been reading the lryic--Bod Hill? Baw Dill?
03-16-2013 11:14 AM
Chicken Monkey wrote:I'm coming at this fresh, since I wasn't a part of the original crit. For me, "Dancing the Bottle" doesn't quite hang--it sounds like (or maybe is) a play on a phrase that I'm not familiar with. Either "The Bottle" is a dance that I haven't heard of, or I'm wanting to hear "dancing WITH the bottle". As someone who's just walked into the room, it feels like the title has evolved from an original idea, to the point that it can be tracked back to the original impulse, but got away from the intended meaning.
Aside from that, I like the melody--it's so hard to not just retread an old melody when doing country music, but you've got a couple of left turns that are unexpected but still feel natural. As you're singing it right now, the "bot-tle" in the chorus is really spaced out, to the point that I don't know if I would have even recognized the word had I not been reading the lryic--Bod Hill? Baw Dill?
Good stuff, CM. I'll take all that into consideration. Thanks.
03-16-2013 11:16 AM
Justin, I've listened to your take on this a couple more times, and while I don't want to bring it to where you have exactly, I like some of the things you're doing in there. It's definitely effecting my take on it as well. Thanks for that.
03-16-2013 06:47 PM
Lee Knight wrote:
...it is too fast right now. I had some issues with getting a shuffle represented on the guitar and sort of choked there. So the tempo will be more closely matched with the Crowel tune.
It's hard for me to swing and play like I'm hearing. But tracking it out... I think it'll be cool. And hopefully display a little humor and sadness instead of just sadness.
Hey once it's a hit, let someone else do the slow version as a cover.![]()
I don't think I could get into the shuffle feel with that fingerpicking treatment very easily, either. A simple chug-chug-chug-a-chug strum on the beat sets me free to imply the swing in the vocal phrasing - that's how I do scratch tracks for shuffles. Makes it easy on myself...
nat whilk ii
03-17-2013 08:50 AM
nat whilk II wrote:
Lee Knight wrote:
...it is too fast right now. I had some issues with getting a shuffle represented on the guitar and sort of choked there. So the tempo will be more closely matched with the Crowel tune.
It's hard for me to swing and play like I'm hearing. But tracking it out... I think it'll be cool. And hopefully display a little humor and sadness instead of just sadness.
Hey once it's a hit, let someone else do the slow version as a cover.
I don't think I could get into the shuffle feel with that fingerpicking treatment very easily, either. A simple chug-chug-chug-a-chug strum on the beat sets me free to imply the swing in the vocal phrasing - that's how I do scratch tracks for shuffles. Makes it easy on myself...
nat whilk ii
Thanks Nat. Yeah, the fingerpicking was a last minute attempt to at least get the song out here for input. The chug-chug shuffle I could barely manage was sad.
The day before I tried 3 or 4 times and just bailed on it and tried the picking the next day and could at least manage to get through, got the gist of the song across, and move on.
So yeah, fingerpicking is not happening and I never really thought if was. This is going to depend on a groove from drums for me to be able to represent it on guitar. Shuffles are something that at one time I was good at but... that's been 20 years now. All that intuitive feel for that style is no longer... intuitive. ![]()
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