Recording Forum

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Looking for a good LDC to match with my rode NTK for drum room stereo applications and an alternate vocal mic. Something in the NTK price range preferably. This is my plan until a neuman falls from the sky.

[Rudolf von Hag…]

weather forecast says next week it rains Neumann in north east Poland

[Rudolf von Hag…]

a 2nd Rhode NTK, then the room match in the sonics

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Rudolf von Hagenwil wrote:

a 2nd Rhode NTK, then the room match in the sonics

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I've considered that, but I think that the difference in tone would be negligable for drum stereo room applications, and I would also have a second vocal mic.

[Kid Klash]

Do you want another tube mic, or would a SS LDC be something you'd consider?

[Rudolf von Hag…]

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Rudolf von Hagenwil wrote:

a 2nd Rhode NTK, then the room match in the sonics

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I've considered that, but I think that the difference in tone would be negligable for drum stereo room applications, and I would also have a second vocal mic.

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there are tons of large condenser on the market for that price, i.e.

[Rudolf von Hag…]

okay okay, i have a foible for colors, the feng shui must be right

[Rudolf von Hag…]

or that one with no feng shui

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Kid Klash wrote:

Do you want another tube mic, or would a SS LDC be something you'd consider?

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Another tube preferably on account of their accuracy versus a SS. Am I wrong in saying that? My main us for it would be vocals so clarity is most important

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... and a preamp to go with it. I have an RNC RNP. Perhaps the Brick? Is their popularity outdated? Was interested in a tube preamp since I do not have one.

[Rudolf von Hag…]

or the T-51

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Thanks Rudolph. Are your suggestions superior to the NTK for vocals in your opinion?

[Rudolf von Hag…]

impossible to say, you must personally test a mic, no way around that

we had all Rhode, they where given to by that guy in Australia who makes them, but we never used them, usually we give microphones away for free to some people after a while we don't use them, I mean we got them also for free

the stereo Rhode I keept for my privat use, use it sometimes, sounds pretty good for vocals, simply direct one capsule direction vocalists mouth, I mainly kept the stero one to record background vocals the quick way for making a demo at home

[Rudolf von Hag…]

lets put it that way, I hear tons of finished production, and when something sound real good I often ask the artists or thee producer what mics they used, and most often they used any of this mics in the $100 - $300 price rance

after a while that meant to me, the new mics are just excellent, all those dozens of new brands, copyinng old originals, I think I barely hear a fdifference between the expensive original and the remake

a pop/rock recording must anyway be sculptured,

only classical records uses many time an unmodified recording for the release, but classical engineer read the score and make adjustment in rtealtime, i.e. slighy gain riding to make the dynamics a little more compact, classical recording can easely have a dynamic range of -60 dB peak to nearly 0 dB peak, that is too much for most hi-fi listeners, but also classical recodings are mastered, made a little brighter, use volume maximizing...

[Rudolf von Hag…]

btw, I use TLM 170 for all vocal recording, since years, this is the microphone which records what the acoustic event really is, or to the nearest what the acoustic event is

i discovered that by standing in the recording room, then listen to it in the control room, all other microphones sounded different then what I heard in the recording room, only the TLM 170 not

[Rudolf von Hag…]

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Kid Klash wrote:

Do you want another tube mic, or would a SS LDC be something you'd consider?

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Another tube preferably on account of their accuracy versus a SS. Am I wrong in saying that? My main us for it would be vocals so clarity is most important

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well, I don't ever think that way, any of the mic has its  character,

but I only use the mics with the least character, like a TLM 170, because I want to capture the character of the singer and instrumentalist, and don't like when a microphones messes that up right at the beginning - nearest to the real acoustic event is my motto, everything else pisses me off

[Kid Klash]

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D wrote:

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Kid Klash wrote:

Do you want another tube mic, or would a SS LDC be something you'd consider?

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Another tube preferably on account of their accuracy versus a SS. Am I wrong in saying that? My main us for it would be vocals so clarity is most important

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Have you considered an Oktava MKL-2500?  They are in the same price range ($400-$700 depending on where you buy it), and would give you another "color" for you to choose from.  http://www.oktava-online.com/mkl2500.htm 

[Kid Klash]

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D wrote:

... and a preamp to go with it. I have an RNC RNP. Perhaps the Brick? Is their popularity outdated? Was interested in a tube preamp since I do not have one.

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Clean or colored?  Vintage, vintage style but current manufacture, or modern design?  Assembled or kit?  How about your price range?

[Rudolf von Hag…]

it is worth to try the new microphones,

always using the same old stuff is boring, people heard that, but when you take a risk, and when it is only because three reviews say it is a great mic, then you will also create a new sonic image not heard before,

the same Neumann sound on each string section is not really creative

[Rudolf von Hag…]

do not heighten the recording quality of expensive vs. cheaper microphones

recently a guy told me he wants to buy a better mic, he had a Telefunken for about $1400, and he wanted a more expensive mic, in the believe that a more expensive mic bwould record better, but a $6000 Neumann, or even a $3500 Kantola does not record 1500 bucks better, it maysound $10 better, or $20 worst, you may like the Telefunken more after you recorded with the Neumann

an unprocessed recording sounds pretty "ugly", no matter what mic you used - you must process this tracks, sculpture life into that "ugly" sound, that is important - I made so many good mixes, and the microphone used was a cheap one, sometimes driving me creazy until I found a good sculpturing...

... or course there are also many microphones which are good for absolutely nothing...