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12-05-2005 12:16 PM
Originally posted by offramp
I'm not Phil, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
For $200--or just under--you can get a Rogue Beatle Bass from Musician's Friend. It gets high ratings.
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12-05-2005 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Kiwiburger
The real Beatle bass is a Hofner - very expensive. Which is bizaare, because they were a cheap bass in their day.
Yery true. IIRC, Macca paid 45 Pounds for his Hofner, which was pretty inexpensive at the time, although that was in the early 60's.
MCartney always struggled with intonation, and had to avoid the upper frets. That's what I hate about them - the bridge is very old fashioned and not accurately adjustable. Hate Hate Hate.
While it's true that the bridge doesn't feature individual adjustable saddles, a little careful adjustment of the positioning can get the intonation happening very well, up and down the neck. I can play "Penny Lane" on this bass just fine and without cringing at the intonation - and since I have perfect pitch, I'm really picky about intonation.
The one thing to remember with a Hofner or any clone is that the bass really requires a bit of a lighter touch than you might be used to if you've spent a lot of time playing other basses. That's not a criticism, just an observation.
When McCartney got his Ricky, that's when things got interesting.
I love a good Ric - they're great basses. :cool: And of course, Paul's aquisition of the Ric corresponds with some significant changes in their recording situation. Geoff Emerick took over the first engineering duties for the Beatles at around that same time, and he was apparently more willing to "push the boundaries" a bit more, and would try to give the Beatles the "louder bass" that they were seeking and that they admired so much on the Motown records of the day.
Of course, while the tone of the two basses is quite different, there were, IMO, plenty of "interesting" bass parts that Sir Paul used the Hofner on - even after he got his Ric. A lot of Abbey Road was played on the Hofner, and IMO, that's some of his best bass playing.
12-05-2005 03:43 PM
12-05-2005 03:45 PM
Originally posted by gearmike
My session at your place last spring didn't inspire you to pick up the Rogue did it?
12-05-2005 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Kiwiburger
I'm still amazed at Macca's bass tones on Abbey Road - I have a folder of short samples of classic bass reference tones, and Come Together is one of them.
I doubt he would have been able to play the roller coaster bass lines on "I Want You / She's So Heavy" with the Ric... it's a LOT easier on the Hofner.
I never knew he used the Hofner that late - I should get myself a good clone. I've only really played the Epiphones, and I rate them fairly highly.
He switched betwen the two basses quite a bit, even on Pepper, The Beatles and Abbey Road. Of course, most of the Get Back / Let It Be sesions were done with the Hofner - as you can plainly see in the movie and on the "rooftop" performance.
You need the Rotosound Trubass black nylons for Abbey Road stuff. Even on a Jazz, they will get you 90% of the way there.
I have not tried those, but thanks for the tip. :cool: I think the recent issue of Bass Player Magazine with Sir Paul on the cover mentions his string brand / gauge preferences... I'll check on that and get back to you.
But there is something extra deep and yummy which i'm thinking is due to Studio 2 and the mic techniques used
Geoff Emerick always used a mic on Paul's bass cabinet. To the best of my knowledge, it was never taken "direct". And I BELIEVE the mic used was a AKG C-12. I seem to recall reading that somewhere in a Geoff Emerick interview. Again, I'll see if I can track that down for you too.
But I really think that a lot of that "extra deep and yummy" tone is due to the hollow body.
These little short scale bass are incredibily phat ...
Agreed. I have always liked the playability of a 30" scale bass, but I've never been wild about the sound of the Mustangs and Musicmaster basses I've owned - they just get too undefined sounding on that low E string and seem to lack the punch and bottom of a full scale bass, so I've forced myself to play long scale basses, even though it's harder on my dinky hands. But there's plenty of bottom end to the Rogue.
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12-06-2005 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe
I love a good Ric - they're great basses.
12-06-2005 12:11 PM
Originally posted by daklander
Let me know where to get the files and I'll host them for awhile. Between the 4 sites I have, I have the room and bandwidth for the time being. Are you running mp3 at 160+?
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