12-16-2012 02:13 PM
12-16-2012 04:15 PM
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02-23-2013 09:25 AM
Hey, Phil. I thought I replied to you a while back but now I don't see it. Maybe it got lost in the forum changeover.
The swap from the HD|3 Accel move to native was purely about future compatibility. That said, I recently moved the HD|Native card over to another computer as a side project, and the studio rig I listed is back to the HD|3 setup along with a clean install of HD 10.3.3 and I must say I had forgotten how nice it was not to have to worry about buffer settings or anything like that. I'm kind of torn at the moment. On the one hand I'm sure that when PT11 comes out I'll see something about it that I want. On the other hand, the HD|3 rig runs nice and stable, never runs out of power, runs HEAT, there's no buffer settings to worry about EVER... I might just freeze this setup as it is. Maybe I'll build a remote recording setup with the Native card and a couple of old blue boxes, or pick up another Lynx Aurora 16 for it.
Either way, trying to decide whether to stick with HD or going with HD Native is a pretty nice problem to have.
As far as adding the UAD-2 cards, I have to say I'm a fan. That said, they're for mixing, not tracking. They work best with higher buffer settings (512 or 1024 samples - another nice thing about using HD is that I can just keep the buffer settings that high and not worry about it during tracking) and definitely aren't zero latency. But they sound freaking awesome, and that's the point as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure you have plenty of local places to check out the UAD-2 cards and such, but if you're ever in north Alabama (or Nashville, which is about two hours away) and want to check out some UAD plugs or test drive the HD|3 setup on recent PC hardware, let me know.
02-23-2013 07:45 PM
Thanks for the kind offer Joshua.
02-24-2013 10:46 AM
I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro, 2GHz quad i7, 16 GB RAM, UA Apollo Duo.
I mostly run Logic, use Live and GarageBand for quick sketches.
Hope the poster looking at the G5 passed on it.
It's cheap for a reason, he would be relegated to eBay for software + there are used Intel machines that are more than twice as powerful that are cheap.
02-25-2013 05:56 AM
Phil O'Keefe wrote:
Thanks for the kind offer Joshua.
Sure, any time. Just prepare to be massively disappointed by the simplicity of my recording setup.
02-27-2013 02:59 PM
As far as adding the UAD-2 cards, I have to say I'm a fan. That said, they're for mixing, not tracking. They work best with higher buffer settings (512 or 1024 samples - another nice thing about using HD is that I can just keep the buffer settings that high and not worry about it during tracking) and definitely aren't zero latency. But they sound freaking awesome, and that's the point as far as I'm concerned.
As far as latency and buffer settings, HD / HD Native / HDX setups are sooo much nicer to use than native rigs IMO. It's nice to not have to worry about switching the buffer settings all the time. And of course, you can track "through" stuff on a HD / HDX setup, which can come in handy. And by doing that, you capture the sound and get it down, without having to worry about whether or not you will have the plugin to "recreate" it later if you need to revisit the multitrack files / mix in a few years.
I think that's an advantage the Apollo users have too - the ability to use the interface with PT, and be able to track with the UAD plugins with low (~2ms IIRC) latency. And now that you can stack two Apollos together, you can get a pretty large I/O count with them. 16 ADAT lightpipe channels, 8 mic / line inputs, and eight line inputs, really good sounding mic preamps and converters, plus the onboard plugins and processors... you can do some damage with a setup like that. The combination of features definitely places it into competition with other DSP assisted hardware setups, such as Avid's. Which makes me wonder if Avid will continue to allow pretty much anyone's interface to work with PT in the future, or if they'll go back to a more closed system. Hopefully, they'll keep it open.
Everyone raves about how good the UAD plugins sound. I really need to see about trying to set up a demo or review so I can spend some quality time with them and get better acquainted with their sound and capabilities. The Apollo certainly seems to be an impressive interface and processing unit, but the big drawback for me would be the cost involved with converting all the TDM / RTAS plugins I already use to UAD stuff... of course, I'm already facing a similar challenge when PT 11 is released and they discontinue support for TDM and RTAS.
Because of that, like you, I may just build a new computer with as much horsepower as I can to use with PTHD, and "freeze" that rig at PT10. Maybe even grab another HD PCI card or two to add to my HD2 Accel setup if I can find a modern i7 motherboard that will accept three or four full length PCI HD cards. I'd then either continue to use my quad core i7 Macbook Pro with PT11 and HD Native, or look into an Apollo. Decisions, decisions... Of course, it will also depend on what sorts of upgrade offers Avid announces - which they're bound to do when PT 11 gets released to try to encourage everyone to upgrade.
03-01-2013 07:12 AM - edited 03-01-2013 07:14 AM
It definitely does introduce a decision point. When PT10 came out, I actually picked up an old Mix core card off eBay for dirt cheap then traded it in on the HD|Native card for ... I think it was $1,000 or $1,500 - I've slept a few times since then lol. Which wasn't a whole lot more than the PT10 upgrade would have cost by itself. So now I have the HD|Native rig for support moving forward, and the HD rig that will be frozen at 10. This way if some compelling new feature comes out I'll be able to easily transition to running HD|Native all the time, but until then I can keep my HD|3 Accel rig running. I might pick up another Accel card and move to an HD|4 since I have an open PCI slot and they're going for pennies on the dollar on eBay right now.
I need to do more reading up on the LLM mode in HD|Native, though. I'm still fairly disappointed that you only have two channels to assign to low-latency monitoring mode. I like being able to have at least a couple of headphone mixes so I can give the drummer something different than the guitarist, etc, when tracking a full band. I could do two mono mixes, but still.
Of course, all that is just what I think based on what I know right now. It's quite possible that some new feature will come out in PT11 that will make me toss out the HD rig and go HD|Native just so I can use it. I think it's incredibly lame that Heat won't run on native rigs, though. Even HD|Native.
05-20-2013 10:43 AM
I had a very reliable Mac G5 (PPC) for about ten years.
I finally upgraded to a tricked out 15" MacBook Pro (quad core 2.2GHz i7, 16G RAM, 256SSD) and it screams in 64 bit mode. The portability of the MBP trumps the power of a desktop any day for my work processes.
Since my DAW of choice (MOTU's Digiral Performer) is now multi-platform, I'll have a few years to decide if I want to stick with Apple or go Windows (if either platform exists then).
I can't imagine a tablet having anywhere near the power I need for dense mixes with lots of virtual processors and virtual instruments.