Phil O'Keefe: In The Studio Trenches

[WRGKMC]

Originally Posted by ambient

I don't have enough direct experience to make a judgement, but I've seen a few people on the web that good hardware reverbs are generally better than good plugins.

Why would this be true? They're both digital number-crunchers, not like the analog vs digital thing you get with hardware compressors and plugins.

Not that I doubt you, I just don't understand why this would be the case.

Dedicated circuitry preamps and algorithm’s for the processor chips are part of it.
You do have to remember though, if your interface isnt so hot, theres can be allot
of loss getting those hardware units recorded by either using them tracking or
reamping or mixing through them.

I do wonder what the next step may be.
I thought extension boards like UAD would be the best option, and they still may be. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...FYKK4AodomsAwA

Maybe some day as the nects step, the recorded material will be encoded to run sound effects in the playback system?
The playback system will have great effects, reverbs, comps etc. The music will be raw multitrack music and the
playback system will auto mix and add effects. Then you'll have a button for live, studio, club, canyon etc and the
playback system will add the effects based on your preference and the track encoding. It would be Doable, but would
it be someting someone wants.

[Lee Knight]

Originally Posted by WRGKMC

Dedicated circuitry preamps and algorythums

Al Gorythumbs? I think I know him!

[Lee Knight]

Originally Posted by WRGKMC

Dedicated circuitry preamps and algorythums

Al Gorythumbs? I think I know him!

[WRGKMC]

^^^ You got me before I could fix the typo. The Boss was wandering around and I had to shut down fast.

[WRGKMC]

^^^ You got me before I could fix the typo. The Boss was wandering around and I had to shut down fast.

[Lee Knight]

[Lee Knight]

[Lee Knight]

hey! no fair fixing it!

[Lee Knight]

hey! no fair fixing it!

[mister natural]

I'm loving the native 'verbs that come within LIVE8

[mister natural]

I'm loving the native 'verbs that come within LIVE8

[Phil O'Keefe]

Originally Posted by Zooey

Dverb for the ambiance and nonlinear sounds.

It's really not half bad for small rooms and ambience. I slightly prefer a Yamaha verb (either one of the ones onboard my console, or from my SPX900) for ambience, but the Dverb is no slouch.

Revibe is good for plain vanilla reverb, nothing too remarkable but not offensive either

I use that, and the Eventide Reverb as two of my main TDM verbs.

TL Space is great for chambers, springs, plates (I'm less impressed by the rooms and halls)

I really like the Ecoplate/EMT 162 plate from United Western that comes with TL Space quite a bit.

Softube TSAR is a just a great algorithmic reverb for both short and long reverbs. Great for the obvious, heavy reverb sounds in a way the rest aren't.

Cool - I really need to give that one a try. I keep hearing good reports about it.

The Lexicon reverb plugins are also quite good IMO - they really do sound like a Lexicon.

[Phil O'Keefe]

Originally Posted by Zooey

Dverb for the ambiance and nonlinear sounds.

It's really not half bad for small rooms and ambience. I slightly prefer a Yamaha verb (either one of the ones onboard my console, or from my SPX900) for ambience, but the Dverb is no slouch.

Revibe is good for plain vanilla reverb, nothing too remarkable but not offensive either

I use that, and the Eventide Reverb as two of my main TDM verbs.

TL Space is great for chambers, springs, plates (I'm less impressed by the rooms and halls)

I really like the Ecoplate/EMT 162 plate from United Western that comes with TL Space quite a bit.

Softube TSAR is a just a great algorithmic reverb for both short and long reverbs. Great for the obvious, heavy reverb sounds in a way the rest aren't.

Cool - I really need to give that one a try. I keep hearing good reports about it.

The Lexicon reverb plugins are also quite good IMO - they really do sound like a Lexicon.

[WRGKMC]

Originally Posted by Lee Knight

hey! no fair fixing it!

Musta been fixing it while you were posting. I'm a slow typist and a crappy speller.

[WRGKMC]

Originally Posted by Lee Knight

hey! no fair fixing it!

Musta been fixing it while you were posting. I'm a slow typist and a crappy speller.

[WRGKMC]

This is the place to get the good impulse sets for lexicon, alesis and others.
http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=4188
As I said I havent tried them all yet and I wouldnt say thay are as good as a rack
unit but with allot of tweaking they can be made to sound good.

For Rack units, There are many of the used ones have allot of ambiant noise and
road wear so they may require a good tuneup to make them usable for recording work.
I'm an old analog guy and love racks units. Even if the sound quality isnt as good
on some and its a pain in the ass to plug them up, I still like using them.
One I found to have excelent verbs, echos and chorus etc is this.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DSP1024P.aspx
Place it after a guitar or vocal preamp or reamp the tracks with it and it
really does well.

I know its a Behringer and all Behringer stuff is supposed to be junk,
but the difference between a 24 bit unit and a 16 bit like an Alesis is definately noticable.
You dont have that anoying noise floor and ambiant noise to deal with when you're going for really deep reverbs.
Preamps are very clean. Id say if anything, The beringer doesnt have any really unique sounds. They are fairly
generic but the frequency responce and clarity are top notch for the price. It also has some great octavers/harmony
comp and other effects too.

When you mix you can get away with lower bit units. Is not like you're using 100% processed effects on tracks.
Most of your sound is bypasses and you may use only small amounts or purposly use their coloration/degration as an effect.
If I was needing to use 100% effect then I'd want a 24 bit processor. Otherwise its all a matter of taste.

If you do troll EBay for units you can find plenty of used units for under $50 regularly and its definately worth the money.
Behringer also makes an FX2000 and DSP2024 which are newer versions. Those run about $129 new. You can probibly
pick up a good Lexicons used for about the same price if you dont have one.
http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--BEHFX2000
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DSP2024P.aspx

[WRGKMC]

This is the place to get the good impulse sets for lexicon, alesis and others.
http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=4188
As I said I havent tried them all yet and I wouldnt say thay are as good as a rack
unit but with allot of tweaking they can be made to sound good.

For Rack units, There are many of the used ones have allot of ambiant noise and
road wear so they may require a good tuneup to make them usable for recording work.
I'm an old analog guy and love racks units. Even if the sound quality isnt as good
on some and its a pain in the ass to plug them up, I still like using them.
One I found to have excelent verbs, echos and chorus etc is this.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DSP1024P.aspx
Place it after a guitar or vocal preamp or reamp the tracks with it and it
really does well.

I know its a Behringer and all Behringer stuff is supposed to be junk,
but the difference between a 24 bit unit and a 16 bit like an Alesis is definately noticable.
You dont have that anoying noise floor and ambiant noise to deal with when you're going for really deep reverbs.
Preamps are very clean. Id say if anything, The beringer doesnt have any really unique sounds. They are fairly
generic but the frequency responce and clarity are top notch for the price. It also has some great octavers/harmony
comp and other effects too.

When you mix you can get away with lower bit units. Is not like you're using 100% processed effects on tracks.
Most of your sound is bypasses and you may use only small amounts or purposly use their coloration/degration as an effect.
If I was needing to use 100% effect then I'd want a 24 bit processor. Otherwise its all a matter of taste.

If you do troll EBay for units you can find plenty of used units for under $50 regularly and its definately worth the money.
Behringer also makes an FX2000 and DSP2024 which are newer versions. Those run about $129 new. You can probibly
pick up a good Lexicons used for about the same price if you dont have one.
http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--BEHFX2000
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DSP2024P.aspx

[Majoria]

I've used several with Pro Tools but haven't found any that really please me. I'm tempted to forego the plugins for most things and invest into a high end DA converter and AD converter and use just hardware for reverb, delay, compression, etc. No compatibility issues, use with any DAW, and use with my live sound rig if necessary.

[Majoria]

I've used several with Pro Tools but haven't found any that really please me. I'm tempted to forego the plugins for most things and invest into a high end DA converter and AD converter and use just hardware for reverb, delay, compression, etc. No compatibility issues, use with any DAW, and use with my live sound rig if necessary.

[CME]

Just picked up metric halo's production bundle and like their haloverb. Lots of setting to tweak. So far haven't found any "large" presets I really like. But the light and pleasant preset is exactly that and I love it. My go to subtle reverb.