Open Jam

[Stonedtone]

What happned? Why didn't that happen. It's all world market oil. We got no deal. Lies :mad:

[unclefred]

Ask ozomba, it's his perpetual war machine now.

[Mikeo]

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Stonedtone wrote:

What happned? Why didn't that happen. It's all world market oil. We got no deal. Lies :mad:

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how does this even make sense. Unless after you sell the gas and add the taxes on to it the Fed get there coin.

[I Play Um]

Lets see....isnt this the 5th year of Obama? WTF has Cheney got to do with it?

[onelife]

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I Play Um wrote:

WTF has Cheney got to do with it?

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He started the war and made the promise that is referred to in the OP.

[TubeAddict]

You have to remember that Republicans blame the expansion of the war under Nixon on LBJ and the expansion of the war under Obama on Obama.

It makes perfect sense if you're a brain damaged anti-American douchebag.

[I Play Um]

Democrats and Republicans started that war..They all more than agreed in the beginning.!

The fact that King Obama has done nothing he promised regarding the wars and did in fact expand it in Afghanistan is his responsibility. As a matter of fact according to Obama...Afghanistan was the "REAL" war.

Face it Obama is no better than Bush and has had plenty of time to prove it.

The one thing different is Obama now has Afghans  we trained shooting our own men. What a President. What a stellar record!

Not to mention...we are still there! The first thing he promised was to end the war...guess he's having to much fun playing God with his drone army...the ultimate video game.

[lagger]

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I Play Um wrote:

Democrats and Republicans started that war..They all more than agreed in the beginning.!

The fact that King Obama has done nothing he promised regarding the wars and did in fact expand it in Afghanistan is his responsibility. As a matter of fact according to Obama...Afghanistan was the "REAL" war.

Face it Obama is no better than Bush and has had plenty of time to prove it.

The one thing different is Obama now has Afghans  we trained shooting our own men. What a President. What a stellar record!

Not to mention...we are still there! The first thing he promised was to end the war...guess he's having to much fun playing God with his drone army...the ultimate video game.

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except of course the OP asked about Iraq ... NOT Afganistan  ... the Iraq war ended on Obama;s watch .. still ... Congress was lied to re WMD's and oil revenues .. we need a Benghazi sty;e witch hunt I suppose

[I Play Um]

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lagger wrote:

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I Play Um wrote:

Democrats and Republicans started that war..They all more than agreed in the beginning.!

The fact that King Obama has done nothing he promised regarding the wars and did in fact expand it in Afghanistan is his responsibility. As a matter of fact according to Obama...Afghanistan was the "REAL" war.

Face it Obama is no better than Bush and has had plenty of time to prove it.

The one thing different is Obama now has Afghans  we trained shooting our own men. What a President. What a stellar record!

Not to mention...we are still there! The first thing he promised was to end the war...guess he's having to much fun playing God with his drone army...the ultimate video game.

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except of course the POP asked about Iraq ... NOT Afganistan  ... the Iraq war ended on Obama;s watch .. still ... Congress was lied to re WMD's and oil revenues .. we need a Benghazi sty;e witch hunt I suppose

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We have zero men and women in Iraq???????

Why didnt the Demo's out the lie from the beginning..They supported the supposed wrong war..You say no?????????

What your really admitting was the Demo's were just as stupid as the Repubs..they all saw the same info and jumped on it.

Benghazi witch hunt???? You endorse the government cover up of the first US Ambassador to be killed in 30 years?

I must live on a different planet!  

[unclefred]

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TubeAddict wrote:
You have to remember that Republicans blame the expansion of the war under Nixon on LBJ and the expansion of the war under Obama on Obama.

It makes perfect sense if you're a brain damaged anti-American douchebag.

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??? Or drunk...

Nixon said in an announcement, "I am tonight announcing plans for the withdrawal of an additional 150,000 American troops to be completed during the spring of next year. This will bring a total reduction of 265,500 men in our armed forces in Vietnam below the level that existed when we took office 15 months ago."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

On this day in 1969, Richard Nixon, in the first year of his presidency, told reporters that the United States would henceforth “encourage and has a right to expect that [military defense efforts] will be increasingly handled by, and the responsibility for it taken by, the Asian nations themselves.”

He pledged that the withdrawal of the first 25,000 troops would be completed by Aug. 31.

During his first term in office, Nixon withdrew a substantial number of U.S. forces from Vietnam. In doing so, Nixon undermined the main campaign theme of Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota, his Democratic opponent in the 1972 presidential election. In 1973, Washington and Hanoi signed a peace treaty ending the war. Two years later, North Vietnamese forces routed the South Vietnamese army, reuniting the country under a communist regime.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78905.html#ixzz2JIXOF8Q1

[unclefred]

Obama 6, Bush 4 The Scorecard:

Under Obama the US has bombed 6 countries:

Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan.

Under Bush, 4 countries:

Somalia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan.

Among other things since becoming president, Barack Obamy has:

Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.
Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.
Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.
Initiated, and personally oversees a 'Secret Kill List'.
Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.
Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.
Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.
Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.
Maintained a presence in Iraq even after "ending" the war.

Obama grants unprecedented powers for warrantless surveillance. The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited (READ).

Obamacare Architect Leaves White House for Pharmaceutical Industry Job (READ).
US to leave 10,000 troops in Afghanistan past 2014 (READ).

http://stpeteforpeace.org/Obama.St.Pete.Visit.2012.pdf

[onelife]

I does not matter who is President.

The US is a warmongering nation.

A huge amount of the country's  resources go into preparing for and waging war.

[isaac42]

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onelife wrote:

I does not matter who is President.

The US is a warmongering nation.

A huge amount of the country's  resources go into preparing for and waging war.

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Some estimates put it at over 50% of all tax revenues going to the war machine, in one form or another.

[Pigger]

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isaac42 wrote:

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onelife wrote:

I does not matter who is President.

The US is a warmongering nation.

A huge amount of the country's  resources go into preparing for and waging war.

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Some estimates put it at over 50% of all tax revenues going to the war machine, in one form or another.

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A man's gotta eat. :idk:

[Brave Ulysses]

OP wants desperately to bitch about politicians, but his conditioning prevents him from taking lord Obama’s name in vain.  Ergo, you get a rant about Cheney, today in January 2013.

I could be wrong, but his thread belongs on another forum – say PP?  And OP belongs on another internetz, say the STFU forum?

[Pigger]

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Brave Ulysses wrote:

OP wants desperately to bitch about politicians, but his conditioning prevents him from taking lord Obama’s name in vain.  Ergo, you get a rant about Cheney, today in January 2013.

I could be wrong, but his thread belongs on another forum – say PP?  And OP belongs on another internetz, say the STFU forum?

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Stoney is the forum's intellectual anchor.

[Brave Ulysses]

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Pigger wrote:

Stoney is the forum's intellectual anchor.

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lulz - i shoulda waited for him to recover his old screen name before i tried for mine.  of course, i got mine on the first attempt, but still......you can't argue with anchorment.   :idk:

[Pigger]

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Brave Ulysses wrote:

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Pigger wrote:

Stoney is the forum's intellectual anchor.

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lulz - i shoulda waited for him to recover his old screen name before i tried for mine.  of course, i got mine on the first attempt, but still......you can't argue with anchorment.   :idk:

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Jeez, these smilies suck. :contemptPhil:

[Moody Sarzo]

I think the real question should be what did Cyrus Vance know about wmd's and did he hide them in Hanoi? 

[Moody Sarzo]

Pork.