Live Sound & Production

[Bobby1Note]

I just came across a deal for the Yorkville TX9s subwoofers,,, $1199./box. Regular selling price seems to average $1999./box. I've lusted for these subs for the last two years, but the lack of local availability, and affordability of a "complete" package, (including power-amp/processor), has steered me away. At this price however, I'm tempted to go for it.

Aside from the outstanding performance of these subs, is the fact that they're 51" tall. That's perfect for mounting my U15P's on top,,, which is something I can not do with my LS801P's (32" tall).

That said, I'm wondering about an amp and possibly a processor for these subs. Last year, my dealer had told me he'd have a used/re-furbed Crown I-Tech 8000(???) available, but that didn't materialize, and was one of the main reasons why I decided to go with the LS801P's.

Yorkville recommends the AP6040 power-amp with the TX9s. The price is roughly $1800. but it's VERY heavy. I'll start looking for a used I-Tech, but in the meaantime, is there something else I should be considering? I really haven't followed the developement of lighter/cheaper amps over the last few years, since all of my boxes are active.

I had told myself, "no mo' gear this year", but this is really tempting.

[Mogwix]

I was powering them with a PLX3602 when I used them. Worked well. Some on here have been saying the peavey IPR amps are good but I've never used them before.

We just got a pile of Crest CC4000's, which have been working great. They're heavy, though.

[Bobby1Note]

Mogwix,

Have you come across the VTC NS9 subs? My understanding is that VTC is Yorkvilles' hi-emd line-up, and I'm wondering what the difference is between the VTC NS9 sub-woofer, and the Yorkville TX9s. Physically, the specs are identical. I'm wondering if the VTC boxes have better drivers and/or processing.

[Bobby1Note]

VTC NS9 subwoofers;

http://www.vtcproaudio.com/ns9.html

[Mogwix]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

Have you come across the VTC NS9 subs?

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Not specifically, but we've been using a pair of VTC amps in our small PA for a couple years now. On paper, they're identical to the Yorkville AP4040 but with a dust filter. They've been working fine, but I think it's just an excuse to re-release old product and mark-up the prices. That's not saying they're bad products though.

[Bobby1Note]

Thanks Mogwiz, I appreciate that. I'll check out the QSC power-amp, (and a few others). I believe my dealer said he was using the AP4020 power-amps, bridged, to power eacj TX9s (2400w/4Ohms). Apparently, that amp could be powered via a standard 15a/120v outlet (????)

[StratGuy22]

How do you get your U15p's up high? On the LS800P's? I just put my U-5's on top. I have to build some boxes to raise them up a foot sometime.

[Bobby1Note]

StratGuy,

Right now, my U15P's are just sitting on top of the LS801P's. I haven't taken any gear "out" for a whike now, so that's not been an issue, but yeah, the extra height of the TX9s (19" taller) would sure come in handy to raise the HF/MF drivers above peoples' heads.

[Shaster]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

StratGuy,

Right now, my U15P's are just sitting on top of the LS801P's. I haven't taken any gear "out" for a whike now, so that's not been an issue, but yeah, the extra height of the TX9s (19" taller) would sure come in handy to raise the HF/MF drivers above peoples' heads.

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Instead of buying those old boat anchors why not just buy a boat?  But seriously, I like and respect the TX9's but the wind seems to be blowing in the powered speaker direction. Ask your dealer what he would give you for a passive sub compared to a powered sub. I don't imagine resale is very good for passive speakers these days - maybe the TX9 is the exception.

I know in my area, most of the L&M's are getting out of passive speakers (except for the YX line) and concentrating on powered. The more powered speakers that are out there, the less people know how to use passive, and so it goes.

How about picking up a couple of YX10S subs?  They are pretty nifty little guys, and would probably see way more action than the TX9's.

[Mogwix]

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Shaster wrote:
I like and respect the TX9's but the wind seems to be blowing in the powered speaker direction.

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Do you know any powered boxes that will keep up with a pair of TX9's? Meyer and RCF D-series, yeah. Those boxes are just as big and much more expensive.

He's already got a pair of 801p's, the TX9s are a nice step up in power for bigger events.

[Shaster]

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Mogwix wrote:

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Shaster wrote:
I like and respect the TX9's but the wind seems to be blowing in the powered speaker direction.

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Do you know any powered boxes that will keep up with a pair of TX9's? Meyer and RCF D-series, yeah. Those boxes are just as big and much more expensive.

He's already got a pair of 801p's, the TX9s are a nice step up in power for bigger events.

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In the context of B1N's use, and his local market, I contend that they would be a weight on his shoulders. If he were constantly running out of steam with his LS801P's and losing gigs to other sound providers because of a lack of sub substance, then as I said, I like and respect the TX9's. However AFAIK that's not the case.

I just believe that giving the gigs I hear about from Bob, he might be buying a nice sub package that will just sit there, and might be hard to resell in his particular market.

Of course speaking personally,  practical can be very boring, and there's no arguing with a want...

[Bobby1Note]

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Shaster wrote:

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Bobby1Note wrote:

StratGuy,

Right now, my U15P's are just sitting on top of the LS801P's. I haven't taken any gear "out" for a whike now, so that's not been an issue, but yeah, the extra height of the TX9s (19" taller) would sure come in handy to raise the HF/MF drivers above peoples' heads.

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Instead of buying those old boat anchors why not just buy a boat?  But seriously, I like and respect the TX9's but the wind seems to be blowing in the powered speaker direction. Ask your dealer what he would give you for a passive sub compared to a powered sub. I don't imagine resale is very good for passive speakers these days - maybe the TX9 is the exception.

I know in my area, most of the L&M's are getting out of passive speakers (except for the YX line) and concentrating on powered. The more powered speakers that are out there, the less people know how to use passive, and so it goes.

How about picking up a couple of YX10S subs?  They are pretty nifty little guys, and would probably see way more action than the TX9's.

I've already got a pair of LS720P's, as well as the LS801P's, so my bases are covered as far as flexibility of transport goes. It's just that I keep hearing great things about the TX9s. Everyone I know who's played thru a set, just rave about how tight and punchy they are, right down to 30Hz.

As I said above, I'm not really in the market for new subs, but if this is such a great "deal", I might reconsider. It depends on what the total cost would be (amp included). If I can't find a deal on the amp, I'll forget about it. As it stands, I couldn't be happier.with the subs I already own.

40% off, on a sub the caliber of a TX9s, really sounds appealing at the moment

[Bobby1Note]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

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Shaster wrote:

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Bobby1Note wrote:

StratGuy,

Right now, my U15P's are just sitting on top of the LS801P's. I haven't taken any gear "out" for a whike now, so that's not been an issue, but yeah, the extra height of the TX9s (19" taller) would sure come in handy to raise the HF/MF drivers above peoples' heads.

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Instead of buying those old boat anchors why not just buy a boat?  But seriously, I like and respect the TX9's but the wind seems to be blowing in the powered speaker direction. Ask your dealer what he would give you for a passive sub compared to a powered sub. I don't imagine resale is very good for passive speakers these days - maybe the TX9 is the exception.

I know in my area, most of the L&M's are getting out of passive speakers (except for the YX line) and concentrating on powered. The more powered speakers that are out there, the less people know how to use passive, and so it goes.

How about picking up a couple of YX10S subs?  They are pretty nifty little guys, and would probably see way more action than the TX9's.

I've already got a pair of LS720P's, as well as the LS801P's, so my bases are covered as far as flexibility of transport goes. It's just that I keep hearing great things about the TX9s. Everyone I know who's played thru a set, just rave about how tight and punchy they are, right down to 30Hz.

As I said above, I'm not really in the market for new subs, but if this is such a great "deal", I might reconsider. It depends on what the total cost would be (amp included). If I can't find a deal on the amp, I'll forget about it. As it stands, I couldn't be happier.with the subs I already own.

40% off, on a sub the caliber of a TX9s, really sounds appealing at the moment

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Damn, we need an "edit post" button.

[Bobby1Note]

Shaster, our posts are out of synch. In reply to your last post, you are 100% "correct". I really don't "need" these subs. Hell, I'm barely using what I do have now, especially in the last year or so. That said, I'm always open to a good deal, because I could readily re-sell these boxes at zero loss, or even at a tidy profit.

[Mogwix]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

Damn, we need an "edit post" button.

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 There is. It's in the "Options" menu at the top right corner of your posts.

but yeah, I love the TX9's. they're solid. every little while I come across a TX rig (4x TX9s, 6x TX4) and it makes me smile every time.

[Axisplayer]

Bobby, just beware that the warranty of the TX series is not the great old Yorkville warranty they have on everything else.

Exceptions
Yorkville's TX-Series products carry the same full warranty coverage, however, speakers & drivers are only covered against factory defects.

[Bobby1Note]

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Mogwix wrote:

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Bobby1Note wrote:

Damn, we need an "edit post" button.

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 There is. It's in the "Options" menu at the top right corner of your posts.

but yeah, I love the TX9's. they're solid. every little while I come across a TX rig (4x TX9s, 6x TX4) and it makes me smile every time.

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OK Mogwix, you've just hit the nail squarely on the head.

What I haven't stated yet in this thread, is the fact that I've been toying with the idea of getting rid of all my mains(EF500's and U15P's),,,( keeping some of the NX55P's for monitor-use), and adding some hi-end mains.

.Just how "good" are those TX4's? I presume that TX rig was used with the DLMS-4080 processor, correct?

I'm looking at the VTC Inception N4, which I presume is the same box, with improvements, for $1099./box.

[Bobby1Note]

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Axisplayer wrote:

Bobby, just beware that the warranty of the TX series is not the great old Yorkville warranty they have on everything else.

Exceptions
Yorkville's TX-Series products carry the same full warranty coverage, however, speakers & drivers are only covered against factory defects.

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That makes sense Stu, I'd expect that, given that they're passives, and at the mercy of the operator.

[Mogwix]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

.Just how "good" are those TX4's? I presume that TX rig was used with the DLMS-4080 processor, correct?

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On their own the TX4's don't get incredibly loud, but they couple very well in arrays. They're not the best box out there but they're definitely "good". I've been on the cusp of purchasing a pile of them for a long time now, but just haven't found the right deal.

As for the VTC N4

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VTC Pro Audio wrote:
Program Power HF: 110 watts nominal / 220 watts continuous
LF: 600 watts nominal / 1200 watts continuous

what

[Shaster]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

Shaster, our posts are out of synch. In reply to your last post, you are 100% "correct". I really don't "need" these subs. Hell, I'm barely using what I do have now, especially in the last year or so. That said, I'm always open to a good deal, because I could readily re-sell these boxes at zero loss, or even at a tidy profit.

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I must say, there's nothing like completing a project PA, and  having things just the way you want them. The TX9's would certainly allow you to have your "A" rig just the way you want it. Well until the next GAS struck

Maybe I'm projecting my own situation onto this one.  The older I get, the more I wish I had gone with something really small like the SRX712M or similar.  But that's water under the bridge. Water I probably couldn't or wouldn't pay for.

Anyway, I see in another post you're thinking about getting rid of some of your gear and concentrating your efforts into a couple of packages (IIRC).  If that's the case, the TX9's could be a viable option. 

BTW I'm all for bucking the "MI trend" of powered speakers.  Of the 18 speakers and subs I have, only 3 are powered - two E160P's and a 720S.  And according to my records, because I got my U15's for a third of the retail price, I just paid for them with my latest rental. Same with my Yorkville PM16. and I barely work either of those anymore.

My goal, sad as it is, is to break even with all my PA purchases within the next two years.  As you can tell, a business magnate I am not!