Live Sound & Production

[RoadRanger]

Oh, and I happend to just look it up for another forum and Behringer publishes it's protocol and encourages developers to make Android apps. This implies that Behringer will not be producing Android apps. The problem with Android is the screen size and pixel count varies widely from one device to another so developing an Android app that works well on them all isn't possible.

[Mutha Goose]

I can only speak to the Studio live. I have not used the X32.

ChiroVette wrote:

-Comes bundled with Studio One, a pretty intensive musical suite. The X32 has no such software, and I would probably have to buy, say Pro Tools or some other suite if I wanted the same PC functionality.

Studio One is a decent SW package IMO, but the full version is SO much more powerful. If you like Studio One, be prepaired you'll probably want to upgrade.

ChiroVette wrote:

-For me, the SL has a far more intuitive layout and the architecture of the SL seems easier to navigate. Plus, as you hinted at, Andy, I believe that the X32 has a steeper learning curve and is more difficult to "get it to do what you want it to do" than the SL. For you, this would be no issue, but for me, I have no experience and thus this could be a huge factor in favor of the SL.

To me, this is the real beauty of the SL. I can train a new operator in minutes how the board is layed out and how to operate it. This is very important if you ever put someone else behind your board.

ChiroVette wrote:

-Has a ton of built in pre-sets. This is another selling point for me only, because I don't know the first thing about limiting, compression, and gating. Calling up pre-sets has helped some buddies of mine until such time as they were able to learn how to use these tools. You guys may not like or approve of pre-sets, but for a guy of my skill, or lack thereof, I know they will be a blessing. The X32 has NO pre sets at all.

I would caution you against using any preset live. There are no cookie cutter problems so there can be no cookie cutter solutions. Additionally presets are typically developed to showcase an element or tool. The last thing you want imposed onto a performance is an exaggerated effect.

ChiroVette wrote:

-No layering of channels. All faders for all channels are on the mixer and no need to switch between the two "channel banks."

- Built-in limiter in the Fat Channel, though the X32 does have limiting in the effects section, so this may or may not be a wash.

The workflow on the SL is very simple and intuitive, but it will slow you down especially at first (as would any digital mixer). Just be prepaired.

[twostone]

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agedhorse wrote:

Rather  than anything else, you might see if the work flow on the X-32 meets your needs and doesn't get in the way of the task at hand. I've seen enough folks working with digital consoles spend a lot of time getting things set up, labeled and routed... far longer than with many analog console workflows.

The answer really is "it depends".

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Not only that but over time they become outdated and obsolete along with huge loss on resale value because they've been replaced by newer more advanced digital mixer.

[dbMontana]

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twostone wrote:

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agedhorse wrote:

Rather  than anything else, you might see if the work flow on the X-32 meets your needs and doesn't get in the way of the task at hand. I've seen enough folks working with digital consoles spend a lot of time getting things set up, labeled and routed... far longer than with many analog console workflows.

The answer really is "it depends".

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Not only that but over time they become outdated and obsolete along with huge loss on resale value because they've been replaced by newer more advanced digital mixer.

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True enough twostone but isn't that just another way of saying that the digital options are still evolving while the analog decks pretty much matured many years ago?  Now I don't in the least want to reopen the reliability differences issue which I truly accept but if something like the Smaart "Shoot-the-room" acoustic-analysis can be added without more outboard gear that's good yes?  However, you do make a good point about resale value.  The digital decks are basically specialized computers and I'd caution anyone from buying more computer than they really need right now as Moore's Law continues to make todays hotrod gaming machine tomorrows ho-hum email reader/web browser.

   ...dave

[OneEng]

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StratGuy22 wrote:
What sort of scene changes do you have in mind?

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Mostly who does the lead vocal; however, I think I might tweak the volume on the drums and the other instruments for different songs as well.  I am not thinking anything silly like a scene per song, but perhaps one for me singing lead, and one for the other vocalist singing lead.... perhaps one for heavy drums and bass vs more classic drums and bass levels.

Both guitars have patches to control their volume relative to the songs we are playing and the places in the songs we are playing them.  The bass doesn't, and the vDrums could, but doesn't

[OneEng]

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ChiroVette wrote:

Okay, this is going to likely earn me the forum version of a tongue-lashing, but here goes:

I have NEVER even so much as considered this path before, but I have two very knowledgeable people in my life whispering high praises about the X32. They are claiming that, among other things, it is "more mixer" for the money than the Preonus. Now I am with the majority of you, which is why I have, for the past months, rejected the idea of the X32 out of hand. But some people I deeply respect are talling me it would be a mistake not to at least seriously consider this mixer over the Presonus offerings.

Please feel free to flame away. I am a big boy and can take it.

But here is my serious question:

Am I one hundred percent, absolutely, unimpeachably, unequivocally, and steadfastly OUT OF MY MIND? Because I hate Behringer as much as anyone. Yet this mixer has been getting nothing but praise, and a few minor issues aside (which have supposedly been fixed) the reviews are raving about it.

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I have played around with both ..... I like the layout of the SL better. For me, it was just a more natural work-flow compared to the X32.

[StratGuy22]

I'm not 100% sure that the different mixes can be saved as scenes. A different scene for each singer, with the lead singer being mixed higher. If you can't save the mix, you could use the makeup gain on the compressor for each lead singer for their scene.

In my band we have 3 lead singers. We get right up on the mic when we sing lead, and back off a bit when we sing backup.

Same with our guitars. We each set out lead volume, them back it off with a volume pedal, when not playing lead.

[RoadRanger]

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StratGuy22 wrote:

In my band we have 3 lead singers. We get right up on the mic when we sing lead, and back off a bit when we sing backup.

Same with our guitars. We each set out lead volume, them back it off with a volume pedal, when not playing lead.

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Yah but yous guys don't suck. The bands we have to deal with vary from that to (more usually) wanting to wash your ears out with battery acid after the gig .

[Rob_H]

Great thread guys, lots of good info for me as I am looking to make the leap to digital as well.

Can you tell me what kind of pricing you guys are getting for the 24.4.2 and the 16.4.2? I have been offered a 24 with the upgrade to S1 pro for $2800, is this a reasonable price?

Thanks,

Rob

[RoadRanger]

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Rob_H wrote:

Can you tell me what kind of pricing you guys are getting for the 24.4.2 and the 16.4.2? I have been offered a 24 with the upgrade to S1 pro for $2800, is this a reasonable price?

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Assuming that is new, yes - that's what I can get one for without calling in any favors .

[Bobby1Note]

Rob,

You're in Canada, right? (Fort McMurray?) Are you getting that price($2800.) in Canada, or the U.S.?

I bought my SL-24 from Musicians' Friend last year (maybe the year before), and paid roughly $2800. That was a promotional price from MF's "Presidents Day" sale ($3299.-15%). They also threw in a free Harbinger 15" active loudspeaker. The price of the SL-24 has now dropped considerably (several hundred dollars). Presidents Day is this coming Monday (Feb.18th), so that may be a good time to buy.

One problem; MF doesn't ship the SL to Canada (at least, not back then), so I had it shipped to my girlfriend, who was vacationing in Florida. She in turn shipped it to me. Shipping from Florida to Quebec, was $265. for both items. I managed to sell the Harbinger speaker "new/un-opened box) for that amount, so all told, I paid $2805. landed at my home. THat was $1500. less than I would have paid, if I had bought locally. Steve's ans ItalMelodie, were selling the SL-24 for $3795, plus 15% tax. ($4370.)

[Rob_H]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

Rob,

You're in Canada, right? (Fort McMurray?) Are you getting that price($2800.) in Canada, or the U.S.?

I bought my SL-24 from Musicians' Friend last year (maybe the year before), and paid roughly $2800. That was a promotional price from MF's "Presidents Day" sale ($3299.-15%). They also threw in a free Harbinger 15" active loudspeaker. The price of the SL-24 has now dropped considerably (several hundred dollars). Presidents Day is this coming Monday (Feb.18th), so that may be a good time to buy.

One problem; MF doesn't ship the SL to Canada (at least, not back then), so I had it shipped to my girlfriend, who was vacationing in Florida. She in turn shipped it to me. Shipping from Florida to Quebec, was $265. for both items. I managed to sell the Harbinger speaker "new/un-opened box) for that amount, so all told, I paid $2805. landed at my home. THat was $1500. less than I would have paid, if I had bought locally. Steve's ans ItalMelodie, were selling the SL-24 for $3795, plus 15% tax. ($4370.)

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That is a price from the US, I have been dealing a lot with some guys in New York who have been giving me incredible pricing and they ship everything DHL 3 day air service for super cheap....shipping on the 24 will be $78. The pricing up here is so much higher, I offered them the same deal to shop locally and they told me that including the shipping they pay to get it here the price I had was below their cost. The best they could do was about $800 more so I will be ordering from NY.

[OneEng]

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StratGuy22 wrote:
I'm not 100% sure that the different mixes can be saved as scenes. A different scene for each singer, with the lead singer being mixed higher. If you can't save the mix, you could use the makeup gain on the compressor for each lead singer for their scene.

In my band we have 3 lead singers. We get right up on the mic when we sing lead, and back off a bit when we sing backup.

Same with our guitars. We each set out lead volume, them back it off with a volume pedal, when not playing lead.

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Yea, I can do that too, but some people are better vocalist than others.... this is especially true with respect to doing a harmony that melts nicely into the melody.  If I leave the mic up to an acceptable level for lead vocal, the harmony is way too loud.  I agree that one should be able to "self regulate" their volume, but I think it is less common for people to be able to do this well in a live setting than say .... a decent lead guitar player is.

It is much easier to get a good lead guitar player that sings OK lead and OK backup than a good lead player that is an outstanding vocalist

[Rob_H]

I actually found a better deal from a Canadian dealer believe it or not, $2750 and free shipping; I decided to pull the trigger a few minutes ago

Can't wait for it to arrive, will run it for a bit and let some others guinea pig the 32.4.2AI that I was thinking about waiting for.

[OneEng]

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Rob_H wrote:

I actually found a better deal from a Canadian dealer believe it or not, $2750 and free shipping; I decided to pull the trigger a few minutes ago

Can't wait for it to arrive, will run it for a bit and let some others guinea pig the 32.4.2AI that I was thinking about waiting for.

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I look forward to your review !

[Bobby1Note]

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Rob_H wrote:

I actually found a better deal from a Canadian dealer believe it or not, $2750 and free shipping; I decided to pull the trigger a few minutes ago

Can't wait for it to arrive, will run it for a bit and let some others guinea pig the 32.4.2AI that I was thinking about waiting for.

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Excellent deal Rob,,, good for you. You don't see prices like that every day up here..

[Rob_H]

If you guys want the contact info for him just send me a PM, has pretty decent pricing on a lot of gear and is definitely flexible. He is in Quebec but has free shipping for a lot of the bigger ticket items, and reasonable shipping for the smaller stuff. it was something like $21 shipping for a dbx PA+.