ChiroVette wrote:Twostone, if I used a crowd mic, it would be to capture the crowd noise lol not be in reach of the asshats who think my band is hosting a Karaoke night. I would likely either hang the mic or put it on the stage facing the crowd, presumably.
Okay didn't know you had the Zooms, and I have to mix my own band from stage and if a fan screams and hollers loud of enough you can hear bleed into the stage mics even while performing and is why I don't bother with room crowd mic and if I did decide to use a crowd mic I'd probably just use SM57 up on stage and pointed at the crowd since the SM57 can give you useable audio on just about any thing you stick in front of it and edit during post. As far as room mic suggestion I doubt you need anything elaborate room mic and budget condenser mic would be good enough since your just mainly capturing the crowd noise.
A quick update .....
I have an issue with one of my channels (5) and was going through the channel strip circuit diagram before I open up my mixer to fix it. I noticed something in the diagram that caught my eye and I went back to my MixWiz manual to verify.
Here is the deal. By default, the direct outs on the Mix Wiz are POST fader. I am not really sure why Allen & Heath did this since the most obveous usage of direct outs is recording.
The output of the pre-amp circuit is 0db which should be fine for any recording device..... but the output of the post fader output .... well, quite a bit more 
Page 28 from here: http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/312-MixWiz
So ... I guess I am going to be moving some jumpers or 0 Ohm resistors to get my MixWiz sending pre-fader signals to the line outs 
OneEng wrote:A quick update .....
I have an issue with one of my channels (5) and was going through the channel strip circuit diagram before I open up my mixer to fix it. I noticed something in the diagram that caught my eye and I went back to my MixWiz manual to verify.
Here is the deal. By default, the direct outs on the Mix Wiz are POST fader. I am not really sure why Allen & Heath did this since the most obvious usage of direct outs is recording.
The output of the pre-amp circuit is 0db which should be fine for any recording device..... but the output of the post fader output .... well, quite a bit more
Page 28 from here: http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/312-MixWiz
ard122DXUserManual.pdf So ... I guess I am going to be moving some jumpers or 0 Ohm resistors to get my MixWiz sending pre-fader signals to the line outs
Is that the Mixwiz you have? The Mixwiz3 by default has the Auxes jumpered Pre-EQ/Pre-Insert and the Direct outs are jumpered Pre-Fade (which follows the EQ/Insert jumper).
For the Mixwiz2 you can move the jumpers so that your direct outs are Pre or Post Fader, Pre or Post EQ and Pre or Post ON (Mute) but they can't be pre-Insert.
The Mixwiz3 allows the direct outs to be jumpered either Pre or Post Insert & EQ, and Pre or Post Fader, but always post Mute.
For recording multitrack using the direct outs IMO it makes the most sense to set the jumpers so that the Direct Outs are Pre-Fader. If you have the ability to go Pre-EQ and/or Pre-Insert even better. I prefer to insert my dynamic effects and EQ the tracks back in the studio rather than print to "tape" what worked with the FOH mix. I'll note my settings during the live gig, but I find that those settings rarely translate to the final mixdown. Pre or Post ON (Mute) might be useful if you are worried about forgetting to turn on an infrequently used channel or something (like a harmonica mic used in 2 songs), at least it will still go to "tape" even if it didn't make it to the FOH Mix, not so useful for me as the sound guy recording the show, but might be useful for the drummer who's mixing from behind the drumset and has more to worry about than unmuting the harmonica channel.
I also like to have my Pre-Fader Auxes set Pre-Insert and Pre-EQ. Don't want my channel strip EQ messing with my monitor mixes after I carefully rung them out with my graphic EQs, and/or killing my Gain Before Feedback with the compressor I inserted. This is assuming mixing Monitors from FOH.
I guess what I'm saying is, make sure you're looking at the correct diagram for the mixer you have, and then make the choices to jumper or not to jumper based on what you want, or don't want, going to "tape" and/or your auxes.
Sometimes if I have extra tracks I'll record my FOH mix, and/or a Room mic, so I can listen back in the studio to hear what the mix was like during the performance. FOH mix doesn't give you the clearest picture since there are live instruments blaring off the stage too, but that Zoom recorder at mix position could at least give you a reference as to what the sound, and energy of the night was when you're mixing it down. If I have a room mic recording sometimes I'll mix it in, especially between songs if the crowd is lively. I usually record some of the crowd before the band even plays and layer clips to fill in the dead spots between songs.
InACanProductions wrote:
OneEng wrote:A quick update .....
I have an issue with one of my channels (5) and was going through the channel strip circuit diagram before I open up my mixer to fix it. I noticed something in the diagram that caught my eye and I went back to my MixWiz manual to verify.
Here is the deal. By default, the direct outs on the Mix Wiz are POST fader. I am not really sure why Allen & Heath did this since the most obvious usage of direct outs is recording.
The output of the pre-amp circuit is 0db which should be fine for any recording device..... but the output of the post fader output .... well, quite a bit more
Page 28 from here: http://www.fullcompass.com/common/files/312-MixWiz
ard122DXUserManual.pdf So ... I guess I am going to be moving some jumpers or 0 Ohm resistors to get my MixWiz sending pre-fader signals to the line outs
Is that the Mixwiz you have? The Mixwiz3 by default has the Auxes jumpered Pre-EQ/Pre-Insert and the Direct outs are jumpered Pre-Fade (which follows the EQ/Insert jumper).
For the Mixwiz2 you can move the jumpers so that your direct outs are Pre or Post Fader, Pre or Post EQ and Pre or Post ON (Mute) but they can't be pre-Insert.
The Mixwiz3 allows the direct outs to be jumpered either Pre or Post Insert & EQ, and Pre or Post Fader, but always post Mute.
For recording multitrack using the direct outs IMO it makes the most sense to set the jumpers so that the Direct Outs are Pre-Fader. If you have the ability to go Pre-EQ and/or Pre-Insert even better. I prefer to insert my dynamic effects and EQ the tracks back in the studio rather than print to "tape" what worked with the FOH mix. I'll note my settings during the live gig, but I find that those settings rarely translate to the final mixdown. Pre or Post ON (Mute) might be useful if you are worried about forgetting to turn on an infrequently used channel or something (like a harmonica mic used in 2 songs), at least it will still go to "tape" even if it didn't make it to the FOH Mix, not so useful for me as the sound guy recording the show, but might be useful for the drummer who's mixing from behind the drumset and has more to worry about than unmuting the harmonica channel.
I also like to have my Pre-Fader Auxes set Pre-Insert and Pre-EQ. Don't want my channel strip EQ messing with my monitor mixes after I carefully rung them out with my graphic EQs, and/or killing my Gain Before Feedback with the compressor I inserted. This is assuming mixing Monitors from FOH.
I guess what I'm saying is, make sure you're looking at the correct diagram for the mixer you have, and then make the choices to jumper or not to jumper based on what you want, or don't want, going to "tape" and/or your auxes.
Sometimes if I have extra tracks I'll record my FOH mix, and/or a Room mic, so I can listen back in the studio to hear what the mix was like during the performance. FOH mix doesn't give you the clearest picture since there are live instruments blaring off the stage too, but that Zoom recorder at mix position could at least give you a reference as to what the sound, and energy of the night was when you're mixing it down. If I have a room mic recording sometimes I'll mix it in, especially between songs if the crowd is lively. I usually record some of the crowd before the band even plays and layer clips to fill in the dead spots between songs.
Hey Ed,
Mine is the MixWiz2 16:2 DX. I actually have the schematic for this (not just the stuff in the users manual). I haven't opened it up yet (tomorrow night), but it appears that the MixWiz2 was all through hole design (vs surface mount) so I am thinking that the jumpers are actually wires that are soldered into place which must be de-soldered and moved to another positioned and re-soldered. Anything other than this and I will just be happily surprised
Yea, it appears that there is no way to get a direct out to be pre-insert, but that is OK. The only thing I have being pre-processed is the bass which goes through a compressor.
I don't mind that the default for the direct outs is post channel eq, but I agree, I would prefer that it be pre-eq ..... but not so much as to want to change it on all 16 channel boards :simleyhappy:
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